Notation Help: Understanding Summations

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of summation notation, specifically the expression \(\sum_{i,j} A_{i,j}\). Participants are exploring whether the indices \(i\) and \(j\) are accumulated simultaneously or sequentially, and the implications of this notation in the context of double summations.

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  • The original poster questions the meaning of the summation notation and whether it implies simultaneous accumulation of indices. Some participants clarify that it typically indicates a double summation where \(i\) and \(j\) are independent, while others suggest considering it as summing over pairs in a Cartesian product.

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Participants are actively discussing the nature of the summation notation, with some providing insights into its interpretation as a nested summation. There is a recognition of the independence of the indices and the commutative property of addition, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's specific question.

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Participants mention that the indices \(i\) and \(j\) can range over natural numbers or other domains, and they explore the implications of this range on the summation's interpretation.

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Hi, I see something like this in my book:

\sum_{i,j} A_{i,j}... et c

does this mean that the index values of i and j are both accumulated at the same time? or that i or j gets accumulated first? I'm not sure

thanks
 
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Generally that really means you have a double summation, that i and j are independent of each other and both range over the natural numbers (or whatever domain makes sense).

You can also think of it as summing over all pairs (i,j) in \mathbb{N}x\mathbb{N}.

Either way, implicitly stated is that the summation is independent of order (since none is given)
 
It is usually shorthand for
\sum_i \sum_j \cdots \sum_n A_{ij\cdots n},
i.e. a nested summation.
 
If, for example, i and j can both range from 1 to 3, that is
A_{11}+ A_{12}+ A_{13}+ A_{21}+ A_{22}+ A_{23}+ A_{31}+ A_{32}+ A_{33}.

That is, A_{ij} has 3(3)= 9 values and this is the sum of all of them. Since addition of numbers is commutative, the order does not matter so the order in which you take i or j does not matter.

More generally, if i ranges from 1 to m and j ranges from 1 to n, A_{ij} can have mn values and \sum_{i, j} A_{ij} is the sum of all of them.
 

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