Notation of a Parametric Derivative

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The discussion centers on the notation of parametric derivatives, specifically questioning whether dy'/dt can be represented as d^2y/dx dt. Participants agree that for parametric equations x(t) and y(t), the slope is given by dy/dx = (dy/dt)/(dx/dt). The conversation explores the relationship between first and second derivatives in parametric form, emphasizing the correct application of the chain rule. There is skepticism about the proposed notation, with suggestions that it may not be standard for ordinary derivatives. The consensus leans towards the notation being unconventional and potentially confusing.
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Now first, as I'm sure you all know, for any two parametric equations x(t) and y(t), the slope of the curve thus generated is equal to the quotient (dy/dt)/(dx/dt). Also, we know that the concavity of the function (or change of slope, as I'm not sure if concavity is actually a correct term) is equal to the quotient (dy'/dt)/(dx/dt), where y'=dy/dx=(dy/dt)/(dx/dt). Now to my question... Is it allowed to represent dy'/dt as... I'll switch to latex now to make sure it comes out right...

\frac{d^2 y}{dx dt}

...this?
 
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Char. Limit said:
Now first, as I'm sure you all know, for any two parametric equations x(t) and y(t), the slope of the curve thus generated is equal to the quotient (dy/dt)/(dx/dt). Also, we know that the concavity of the function (or change of slope, as I'm not sure if concavity is actually a correct term) is equal to the quotient (dy'/dt)/(dx/dt), where y'=dy/dx=(dy/dt)/(dx/dt). Now to my question... Is it allowed to represent dy'/dt as... I'll switch to latex now to make sure it comes out right...

\frac{d^2 y}{dx dt}

...this?
I'll take a stab at what I think you're trying to say.

You have a curve defined by the parametric equation x = x(t) and y = y(t). Assuming that these functions are differentiable, we can talk about
\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}

Then
\frac{d^2y}{dx^2} = \frac{d}{dx}\frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}

= \frac{d}{dt} \left(\frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}\right) \frac{dx}{dt}
 
Mark44 said:
\frac{d}{dx}\frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}

= \frac{d}{dt} \left(\frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}\right) \frac{dx}{dt}

Actually, I think, by the chain rule, it should be

\frac{d}{dx} \frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}} = \frac{d}{dt} \left(\frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}\right) \frac{dt}{dx}
 
Actually, I'm just wondering if d/dt(dy/dx) can be represented by the notation in the OP in laTEX. It seems like an odd notation, with mixed total derivatives or something.
 
AFAIK, no. For partials, yes, but I don't recall ever seeing ordinary derivatives stacked up like that.
 
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