Now use partial fractions on the left side.

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The discussion revolves around the use of substitution methods in differential equations, specifically focusing on the substitution \( u = \frac{y}{x} \) to simplify the equations. Participants explore the reasoning behind this choice and the subsequent steps in manipulating the equations.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the substitution method and seeks resources for techniques.
  • Another participant suggests that the substitution \( u = \frac{y}{x} \) is effective because \( \frac{y}{x} \) appears frequently in the equation.
  • A participant questions the accuracy of the original differential equation and proposes a corrected version, leading to a discussion on simplifying the equation by dividing by \( x \).
  • Participants discuss how the substitution leads to a single variable \( u \) rather than two variables \( x \) and \( y \).
  • There is a query about how the left-hand side of the equation can be expressed in terms of \( \frac{du}{dx} \), prompting further exploration of differentiation techniques.
  • Another participant clarifies that differentiating \( y = ux \) using the product rule leads to a new form of the differential equation.
  • Participants derive a new equation involving \( \frac{du}{dx} \) and discuss the manipulation of terms to reach a simplified form.

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Participants generally agree on the utility of the substitution method, but there are differing views on the accuracy of the initial equation and the steps involved in the differentiation process. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to simplify the left-hand side of the equation.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the correctness of the initial differential equation and the steps taken in the manipulation of terms. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding of differentiation and substitution techniques.

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Hi Guy's,
I have just started DE's and I'm having difficulty following my notes on using the substitution method. I was wondering if anyone new a good link that could show me some good techniques to use when approaching these problems. Is there a good step by step process which any of you use?

An example in my notes says for

[itex]y'=\frac{y+2y}{y-sx}[/itex]

use the substitution [itex]u = \frac{y}{x}[/itex]
ie

[itex]y = ux[/itex]

Is there a reason why they chose [itex]u = \frac{y}{x}[/itex] ?




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It was probably thought of because y/x appears all over the right hand side, if you reorganize it. (I assume there's a typo in what you wrote?)
 
beetle2 said:
Hi Guy's,
I have just started DE's and I'm having difficulty following my notes on using the substitution method. I was wondering if anyone new a good link that could show me some good techniques to use when approaching these problems. Is there a good step by step process which any of you use?

An example in my notes says for

[itex]y'=\frac{y+2y}{y-sx}[/itex]
I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. Wasn't it
[tex]y'= \frac{y+ 2x}{y- sx}[/tex]

In any case, if you divide both numerator and denominator of either
[tex]\frac{3y}{y- sx}[/tex]
or
[tex]\frac{y+ 2x}{y- sx}[/tex]
by x you get
[tex]\frac{3\frac{y}{x}}{\frac{y}{x}- s}[/tex]
or
[tex]\frac{\frac{y}{x}+ 2}{\frac{y}{x}- s}[/tex]
and taking u= y/x those are
[tex]\frac{3u}{u- s}[/tex]
and
[tex]\frac{u+ 2}{u- s}[/tex]

Now you have just the one variable, "u" rather than both "x" and "y".

use the substitution [itex]u = \frac{y}{x}[/itex]
ie

[itex]y = ux[/itex]

Is there a reason why they chose [itex]u = \frac{y}{x}[/itex] ?




regards
 
Sorry it was,

[itex]y '= \frac{y+2x}{y-2x}[/itex]
 
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[itex]y ' = \frac{y+2x}{y-2x}[/itex]

So like you said if I divide both numerator and denominator by x I get


[itex]y ' = \frac{\frac{y}{x}+2}{\frac{y}{x}-2}[/itex]

use the substitution u= y/x


[itex]y ' = \frac{u+2}{u-2}[/itex]

now on the left side I still have [itex]y'[/itex]
ie

[itex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{u+2}{u-2}[/itex]

How does the left hand side become a function wrt [itex]\frac{du}{dx}[/itex] ?
 
beetle2 said:
[itex]y ' = \frac{y+2x}{y-2x}[/itex]

So like you said if I divide both numerator and denominator by x I get


[itex]y ' = \frac{\frac{y}{x}+2}{\frac{y}{x}-2}[/itex]

use the substitution u= y/x


[itex]y ' = \frac{u+2}{u-2}[/itex]

now on the left side I still have [itex]y'[/itex]
ie

[itex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{u+2}{u-2}[/itex]

How does the left hand side become a function wrt [itex]\frac{du}{dx}[/itex] ?

Well, you have y=ux, so differentiate both sides wrt x.
 
So do we differentiate [itex]dy/dx dx[/itex]
and [itex]\frac{u+2}{u-2}dx[/itex]
 
? There is no reason to have that additional "dx".

Since u= y/x, y= xu. Now use the product rule: dy/dx= (dx/dx)u+ x(du/dx)= u+ x du/dx.

The differential equation becomes
[tex]x\frac{du}{dx}+ u= \frac{u+ 2}{u- 2}[/tex]

[tex]x\frac{du}{dx}= \frac{u+ 2}{u- 2}- u \frac{u+ 2- u^2- 2u}{u- 2}= \frac{2- u- u^2}{u- 2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{u- 2}{2- u- u^2}du= x dx[/tex]
 

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