Nth Order Derivative of f(x): Sin^4(x)+Cos^4(x) & x^n/(1-x)

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The exercise involves determining the nth derivative of two functions: a) f(x) = sin^4(x) + cos^4(x) and b) f(x) = x^n/(1-x). The context is centered around higher-order derivatives in calculus.

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  • Participants discuss expressing sin^4(x) and cos^4(x) in terms of multiple angles to facilitate differentiation. There is also mention of using Leibniz's rule for the second function, with some uncertainty about its application. Attempts to manipulate the second function into a more manageable form are noted, along with concerns about maintaining the original functions in the first exercise.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants suggest methods for expressing the functions differently, while others express confusion about the requirements of the exercise. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet, but several lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the homework, including the potential restrictions on manipulating the original functions and the expectations for expressing derivatives. There is uncertainty about whether certain methods are permissible within the context of the exercise.

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Homework Statement


The exercise goes "Determine d^n*f/dx^n for the 2 exercises:"
a) f(x)=sin^4(x) + cos^4(x)
b) f(x)= x^n/(1-x)


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The only idea i had was for the second example, where i think its right to use a rule from Leibniz but I'm not sure...
 
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I've never done any of these before, so please forgive me if I'm way off and not being helpful at all.


a) couldn't you express [itex]sin^4x[/itex] and [itex]cos^4x[/itex] in terms of multiple angles without powers, and then take the derivatives of those?


b) you can make the fraction like this: [tex]\frac{-(1-x^n)+1}{1-x}[/tex]

and then they split up as so: [tex]\frac{-(1-x^n)}{1-x}+(1-x)^{-1}[/tex]

The first fraction can be... expanded (for lack of a better word) into [itex]-(1+x+x^2+...+x^{n-1})[/itex] and I'm sure it's clear what to do with the second fraction. :smile:
 
i don't know about the first one with the angles, i think the whole point of the exercise is to keep the sin and cos and the second one kinda confused me...
 
Well you would still keep the sin and cos, just that theyre expressed as

[tex]sin^nx=Asin(nx)+Bsin((n-1)x)...[/tex]

I know you could find the relationship easily for the n-th derivative from that, but if that isn't allowed, then maybe this will help?

[tex]y=sin^4x[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=4sin^3xcosx[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=-16sin^4x+12sin^2x[/tex]

Notice how the [itex]sin^4x[/itex] appears again. Maybe it's something, probably it's not, but I'm just putting that out there in case it helps.


For the second, is that "confused me" or "still confuses me"?

[tex](x^n-1)=(x-1)(x^{n-1}+x^{n-2}+...+x+1)[/tex]

dividing both sides by [itex]x-1[/itex] will show you how to get the long expansion thing.

Was this the problem?
 

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