Number of generators of SU(n) group

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The discussion focuses on calculating the number of generators of the special unitary group SU(n), as well as the orthogonal group O(n) and unitary group U(n). Participants explore different approaches and interpretations related to these groups, particularly in the context of their applications in particle physics.

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  • One participant seeks to understand how to calculate the number of generators of SU(n), noting that the answer is n^2-1 but expressing uncertainty about the proof.
  • Another participant explains that a unitary matrix can be derived from a hermitian matrix through exponentiation, leading to the conclusion that SU(n) has n^2-1 generators due to an additional condition related to special unitarity.
  • A participant inquires about the derivation of the formula n(n+1)/2, which relates to the number of independent elements in a real symmetric matrix.
  • Another participant clarifies that a real symmetric matrix consists of n diagonal elements and n(n-1)/2 elements from the upper triangle, resulting in a total of n(n+1)/2 distinct elements.

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Participants present varying methods and interpretations for calculating the number of generators, indicating that multiple approaches exist. However, there is no consensus on the derivation process, and some questions remain unresolved.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of hermitian and symmetric matrices, as well as the implications of special unitarity. There are unresolved steps in the derivation of the number of generators, particularly regarding the transition from hermitian to unitary matrices.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in group theory, particularly in the context of physics, as well as those exploring the mathematical foundations of unitary and orthogonal groups.

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How do I calculate the number of generators of SU(n) group (which is extremely important in particle physics)? In the case of SO(n), I can do that using the physical interpretation of the group, i.e., it is related to rotations in n-dimensional Euclidean plane. What do I do in the case of SU(n)? I know the answer is n^2-1 but can not prove it.

Also if possible please indicate how to calculate the number of generators of O(n) and U(n) groups.
 
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A unitary matrix can be obtained from a hermitian matrix e.g. by exponentiation. A hermitian matrix has n(n+1)/2 real (symmetric part of the matrix) and n(n-1)/2 imaginary (anti-symmetric part of the matrix) entries giving n^2 independent elements (and thus generators) in total.
In a special unitary matrix, there is one further condition, hence there are only n^2-1 operations. Analogously an orthogonal matrix can be obtained by the exponential construction from an anti-symmetric hermitian matrix and thus has n(n-1)/2 generators. The condition of speciality only fixes the sign of the real matrices and thus doesn't restrict the total number of generators.
 
How to get \frac{n(n+1)}{2}?
 
a real symmetric matrix has n element on the diagonal and n(n-1)/2 elements on the upper triangle (which are equal to the elements on the lower triangle. Taken together, there are n(n+1)/2 distinct elements.
 

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