Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around calculating the number of photons in an arbitrary electromagnetic (EM) field, including coherent states, thermal states, and virtual photons. Participants explore the relationship between classical solutions to Maxwell's equations and quantum mechanical descriptions of photon number, as well as the implications of different types of EM fields.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
- Mathematical reasoning
Main Points Raised
- Some participants propose that if ##\vec E## and ##\vec B## are solutions to Maxwell’s equations, then ##\Psi= \vec E + i \vec B## could be a solution to Schrödinger’s equation, while others challenge this by stating that ##\vec{E}## and ##\vec{B}## are observables and not wave functions.
- There is uncertainty regarding how to calculate the statistical distribution of the number of photons or the expected number of photons from a given wavefunction.
- Some participants argue that the type of light (coherent, thermal, squeezed, etc.) is crucial for determining the photon distribution.
- It is noted that virtual photons cannot be counted, leading to complications in discussing photon numbers in static fields.
- Participants mention that for EM radiation, one can calculate the mean number of photons by dividing the power radiated by the energy per photon, but this is not exact if the system is not in an eigenstate of photon number.
- There is a discussion about the Fock state as a state of definite photon number, but it is acknowledged that most light sources do not produce such states.
- Some participants express a desire for a general operator that could be applied to any arbitrary field to calculate photon numbers, similar to momentum calculations.
- One participant emphasizes the need to specify the state to calculate a photon-number distribution, particularly for thermal photons described by a canonical ensemble.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for calculating photon numbers across all types of EM fields. There are competing views on the relationship between classical fields and quantum descriptions, as well as the implications of virtual photons.
Contextual Notes
The discussion highlights limitations in defining photon numbers for different types of EM fields, particularly regarding virtual photons and the necessity of specifying the state for accurate calculations.