Number of ways of expressing n as positive integers

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The discussion revolves around the number of ways to express a positive integer \( n \) as a sum of positive integers, focusing on the notation and the recursive relationship proposed by the original poster. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

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  • The original poster defines \( S_n \) as the number of ways to express \( n \) as positive integers, providing initial values \( S_1=1 \), \( S_2=2 \), and \( S_3=4 \).
  • Some participants question the clarity of the original question, particularly regarding the meaning of expressing a positive integer as positive integers and the notation used in the proposed equation.
  • One participant suggests that \( S_n \) refers to the number of ways to express \( n \) as a sum of positive integers, emphasizing that the order of summands matters.
  • Another participant provides an example for \( S_3 \) to illustrate that it can be expressed in four different ways: \( 1+1+1 \), \( 2+1 \), \( 1+2 \), and \( 3 \).
  • There is a request for clarification on how to represent the notation correctly in a concise manner.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the original question and the notation used. There is no consensus on the meaning of \( S_n \) or the validity of the proposed recursive relationship.

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Some assumptions about the definitions of \( S_n \) and the notation remain unresolved, leading to confusion among participants. The discussion does not clarify the mathematical steps necessary to prove the proposed relationship.

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sorry for the many threads

Let S_n denote the number of ways of expressing n as positive integrs..
S_1=1 , s_2=2, s_3=4 ..

Prove that
[tex]S_n=S_{n-1}+S_{n-2} ---S_1+1[/tex]

no idea to prove that :
 
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Sorry, but to me it's not clear what your question means. What does it mean to express a positive integer as positive integers? I can only think of one way to express 3 as a positive integer, namely by 3. Can you show how S_3 = 4?

Your notation in the equation is also confusing. What is the meaning of three consecutive minus signs?
 
I assume that you mean [itex]S_n[/itex] is the number of ways to express [itex]n[/itex] as a sum of positive integers, where orders matters.

Consider the different cases for the last integer in the sum, all of which are disjoint, since order matters. There are [itex]n[/itex] different cases.

Explicitly: if the last integer is 1, then the rest of the integers sum to [itex]n-1[/itex]...
 
nicksauce said:
Sorry, but to me it's not clear what your question means. What does it mean to express a positive integer as positive integers? I can only think of one way to express 3 as a positive integer, namely by 3. Can you show how S_3 = 4?

Your notation in the equation is also confusing. What is the meaning of three consecutive minus signs?

it means 3 can be written as 1+1+1 , 2+1, 1+2, 3 so 4 different ways..
 
tmccullough said:
I assume that you mean [itex]S_n[/itex] is the number of ways to express [itex]n[/itex] as a sum of positive integers, where orders matters.

Consider the different cases for the last integer in the sum, all of which are disjoint, since order matters. There are [itex]n[/itex] different cases.

Explicitly: if the last integer is 1, then the rest of the integers sum to [itex]n-1[/itex]...
Yup that's what I meant
for your hint how would I use notation to represent it ..just one line would be enough

c, its just I have been grappling with this question for far too long and have not made any headway..

Thanks
 

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