Number of Zeros Inside Unit Circle for Polynomial P(z)

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The discussion centers around determining the number of roots of the polynomial \( P(z) = z^8 - 5z^3 + z - 2 \) inside the unit circle using Rouché's Theorem. Participants explore the application of the theorem and the reasoning behind the choice of terms in the polynomial.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using \( f(z) = -5z^3 \) and questions the reasoning behind this choice.
  • Another participant notes that the inequality \( |f(z) - P(z)| < |f(z)| \) is essential for applying Rouché's Theorem but seeks clarification on how this leads to the conclusion about the number of zeros.
  • Multiple participants express confusion about the application of Rouché's Theorem and the specific steps involved in the reasoning.
  • Some participants provide their own calculations for \( |f(z) - P(z)| \) and question the setup of the inequality used in the theorem.
  • References to external resources, including a Wikipedia page and lecture notes, are shared in an attempt to clarify the theorem's application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of Rouché's Theorem but express differing levels of understanding regarding its application and the specific reasoning behind the choices made in the discussion. The overall understanding remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the theorem and the specific inequalities used, indicating a need for clearer explanations and examples.

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Let $P(z) = z^8 - 5z^3 + z - 2$. We want to find the number of roots of this polynomial inside the unit circle.
Let $f(z) = -5z^3$ (Why is this being chosen?)

Then $|f(z) - P(z)| = |-z^8 - z - 2| < |f(z)| = 5$ (Why was this done?)

Hence f and P have the same number of zeros inside the unit circle (How does this follow from the above?) and this number is 3.
 
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It's a trick to use Rouché's Theorem, then for $|z|<1$ you can pick "wisely" a term to satisty the conditions.
 
Krizalid said:
It's a trick to use Rouché's Theorem, then for $|z|<1$ you can pick "wisely" a term to satisty the conditions.

I need more of an explanation than it is a trick from Rouche's Theorem.
 
My guess would be that \( |f(z) - P(z)| = |-z^8 -z -2| \leq |z^8| + |z| + |2| = 1+1+2 < |f(z)| = |-5z^3| = 5 \). As for the reasoning of why they have the same number of zeros inside the unit circle I'm still lost as well.
 
Fantini said:
My guess would be that \( |f(z) - P(z)| = |-z^8 -z -2| \leq |z^8| + |z| + |2| = 1+1+2 < |f(z)| = |-5z^3| = 5 \). As for the reasoning of why they have the same number of zeros inside the unit circle I'm still lost as well.

I knew that piece. I wasn't sure why they set up $|f(z) - P(z)|$.
 
Can someone actually explain this? I have a book and I couldn't figure it out from there so I need something besides a reference.
 
You probably found the answer, but here's a file which may clarify your problems:

http://nathanpfedwards.com/notes/complex/Lecture20110315.pdf
 

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