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The discussion centers on reactions to President-elect Barack Obama's cabinet appointments, particularly the decision to retain Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense, which many participants view positively due to his experience and effectiveness. There is speculation about potential candidates for other key positions, including Secretary of State, with names like Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson, and Chuck Hagel being mentioned. Participants express mixed feelings about Clinton's possible appointment as Secretary of State, citing her past support for the Iraq War and concerns about her negotiating stance with Iran. Some believe her selection could alienate other experienced candidates like Richardson. The choice of Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff is also discussed, with many viewing him as a strong enforcer of Obama's agenda, while others express concerns about his aggressive style.Overall, the conversation reflects a cautious optimism about Obama's pragmatic approach to governance, emphasizing the importance of experienced individuals in his administration, while also highlighting the complexities of working with the Clintons and the potential challenges ahead.
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RE: Clinton

Clinton vows robust diplomacy as State Dept chief
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090122/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/clinton
WASHINGTON – Hillary Rodham Clinton took charge of the State Department on Thursday, proclaiming the start of a new era of robust U.S. diplomacy to tackle the world's crises and improve America's standing abroad.

Before a raucous, cheering crowd of about 1,000 people, the nation's 67th secretary of state pledged to boost the morale and resources of the diplomatic corps and promised them a difficult but exciting road ahead.

"I believe with all of my heart that this is a new era for America," she said to loud applause in the main lobby of the department's headquarters, which President Barack Obama visited later in the day to underscore his administration's commitment to diplomacy.

With Obama at her side in the ornate Ben Franklin Room, Clinton introduced former Senate Majority Leader George J. Mitchell, D-Maine, as a special envoy for the Middle East. Former U.N. ambassador Richard Holbrooke was announced as a special adviser on Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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Yay - George Mitchell!

#$%@&*@#$%^&*~ - Richard Holbrooke. Big mistake to put that Clinton cronie as special adviser on Pakistan and Afghanistan. Waste of taxpayer money! :mad:
 
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Astronuc said:
Yay - George Mitchell!
Maine has some pretty good statesmen, including Mitchell and Bill Cohen. This may pass some people, but George comes out of a family that helped make our region of the state strong. There is a very hard-working and well-respected group of immigrants that have contributed a lot to this area. Guess what? They are Christian Lebanese immigrants. Obama chose well.
 
  • #103
Astronuc said:
RE: Clinton

Clinton vows robust diplomacy as State Dept chief
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090122/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/clinton

Yay - George Mitchell!

#$%@&*@#$%^&*~ - Richard Holbrooke. Big mistake to put that Clinton cronie as special adviser on Pakistan and Afghanistan. Waste of taxpayer money! :mad:
How so? Obviously the guy is highly capable - 6 years Vietnam, successful on Wall St, Ambassador to Germany, successful Balkan envoy, UN. I see he might be tied up in some Countrywide sweetheart deals. Other than that, what did he do that's so contemptible?
 
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  • #104
mheslep said:
How so? Obviously the guy is highly capable - 6 years Vietnam, successful on Wall St, Ambassador to Germany, successful Balkan envoy, UN. I see he might be tied up in some Countrywide sweetheart deals. Other than that, what did he do that's so contemptible?
I don't see anything great achievement in Vietnam. There are a lot of successful people on Wall Street, but they benefit from the hard work of others. Ambassadorships are political appointments, which are not necessarily based on merit.

Re: Wall Stree - "In January 1981, Holbrooke left government and became both senior advisor to Lehman Brothers . . . . From 1985 until 1993, he served as managing director of Lehman Brothers." :rolleyes: Where is Lehman Brothers now? :biggrin:

By his own admission, he got drunk during the negotation of the Dayton Accords, and thought he had an agreement when he didn't. I believe it was Tuđman who was left out because they got drunk and forgot to include him. When dealing with peoples lives, one keeps a clear mind.

I didn't particularly care for Clinton's foreign policy, which was worse than his domestic policy, and which has contributed to some of the problems during the last 8 years.
 
  • #105
Astronuc said:
I don't see anything great achievement in Vietnam. There are a lot of successful people on Wall Street, but they benefit from the hard work of others. Ambassadorships are political appointments, which are not necessarily based on merit.

Re: Wall Stree - "In January 1981, Holbrooke left government and became both senior advisor to Lehman Brothers . . . . From 1985 until 1993, he served as managing director of Lehman Brothers." :rolleyes: Where is Lehman Brothers now? :biggrin:

By his own admission, he got drunk during the negotation of the Dayton Accords, and thought he had an agreement when he didn't. I believe it was Tuđman who was left out because they got drunk and forgot to include him. When dealing with peoples lives, one keeps a clear mind.
Had not seen that. Of course if one is good enough and drinks enough, they pull out Lincoln's quote about Grants bottle habit: "find out what he drinks and give it to my other generals"

I didn't particularly care for Clinton's foreign policy, which was worse than his domestic policy, and which has contributed to some of the problems during the last 8 years.
Neither did I, but I wouldn't out of hand disqualify anyone from that era working in the new admin, especially someone down at the envoy level.
 
  • #106
Obama's White House: Big posts, overlapping tasks - and Big Egos!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090128/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_team_of_czars
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is building a White House staff so loaded with big names and overlapping duties that it could collapse into chaos unless managed with a juggler's skill.

It's an administration that seems "addicted to czars," says one longtime observer of government organization.

Obama has installed a White House health czar who doubles as secretary of Health and Human Services. The State Department now has "special envoys" for the Middle East, Afghanistan and Pakistan, and for climate change — areas already overseen by other officials.

Just for the environment, along with the new climate envoy Obama has an energy secretary, an Environmental Protection Agency director and a chief of the White House Council on Environmental Quality. Hovering over them all is Carol Browner, a high-profile former EPA administrator in a newly created role some call "climate czarina."

The economic team is perhaps the most multilayered and ego-driven of all. Former college professor Christina Romer heads Obama's Council of Economic Advisers. Timothy Geithner, a former top Federal Reserve official, is treasury secretary. Former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker is heading the newly formed Economic Recovery Advisory Board. And Peter Orszag, former head of the Congressional Budget Office, is the budget director.

Coordinating and perhaps overshadowing all of them is Lawrence Summers, the brainy and sometimes abrasive former Harvard University president and treasury secretary who directs Obama's National Economic Council.

The White House elevated the council's importance last week, announcing that Summers will brief Obama on the economy each morning, similar to the president's daily national security briefing.

Obama also has three powerful senior advisers in the West Wing with him. And still other top aides fill familiar roles such as chief of staff, domestic policy adviser and national security adviser.

Known for their intellect and experience, these appointees could become rivals or advocates of competing ideas that could hinder White House operations if not skillfully managed and coordinated.

Administration officials will have to "watch and see when it starts to become dysfunctional," said Stephen Hess, a Brookings Institution scholar who has held several top government jobs going back to 1959. "It's a very high risk because you're adding without subtracting."

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We'll just have to wait and see.
 
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  • #107
Big talent --> big egos. No doubt one of his greatest challenges will to be manage all of this.

Note who he picked as Chief of Staff.
 
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  • #108
Judd Gregg for Commerce Secc!

I like everything about this story. Dem President picking Republican Senator for Cabinet; then Dem Gov of Senator's state naming Republican successor.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/02/judd.gregg.commerce/index.html

I was very disappointed by the nomination of Lynn for Dep Sec Def. Obama lost a lot of brownie points for that move.

And in related news, Nancy Killefer drops out (Obama's pick for a new position called "Chief Performance Officer") citing unspecified tax issues.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/03/performance.nominee.withdraws/index.html
 
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  • #109
I'm puzzled by Daschle's matter of not paying taxes in excess of $100 K. With penalty and interest, he's paying $128 K in back taxes. :rolleyes:

Those who make the laws to which the rest of us are expected to abide ought to know the law and should be expected to abide by them.
 
  • #110
With Killefer with tax problems, it is somewhat disappointing. Is the tax code that complex?

I must admit I gave up long ago doing my forms from scratch and use TurboTax, because there was so much dependency form to form and understanding the limits and exceptions and the worksheets was far too hair-raising. Being the procrastinator that I am with last minute filing, some years ago I can remember just screaming at the forms because of course there was yet another form that I needed that wasn't among the ones I had and it was last minute ... arghh. I went electronic as soon as I could on my PC with the memory of that night seared in my mind.

So in a sense I have sympathy for these people getting caught up in what for them has become basically a 10 year audit of all their tax filings. I'm not sure how many Americans with any complexity to their situations like Sub-S businesses, or foreign tax credits off investments, or rental/royalty income or domestic help, or alternative minimum taxes would escape without modification.

While you'd think that these appointees should be more sophisticated and should know better, I can't help but think the complexity of the IRS regulations needs some streamlining, so all Americans are on a more simpler understanding basis with the code.

With the parade of Senators lining up to excoriate these people, I have to wonder how many of them, if teams of forensic accountants poured over their last 10 years of returns, would have clean bills themselves?
 
  • #111
Want to ruin someone's career? Appoint him to your cabinet!
 
  • #112
The first question the president or presidential advisor needs to ask anyone being considered for a prominent government post is "Are there any problems with your taxes?" :biggrin:
 
  • #114
I have as much sympathy for these folks as the IRS would have for me if I cheated on my taxes.

It would seem that anyone interested in a political career should use Turbo Tax. :biggrin:
 
  • #115
Ivan Seeking said:
It would seem that anyone interested in a political career should use Turbo Tax. :biggrin:
One of them (Geithner, I think) did, in fact, claim to have used Turbo Tax.
 
  • #116
LowlyPion said:
With Killefer with tax problems, it is somewhat disappointing. Is the tax code that complex?

I must admit I gave up long ago doing my forms from scratch and use TurboTax, because there was so much dependency form to form and understanding the limits and exceptions and the worksheets was far too hair-raising...

While you'd think that these appointees should be more sophisticated and should know better, I can't help but think the complexity of the IRS regulations needs some streamlining, so all Americans are on a more simpler understanding basis with the code.
No, the issues that these guys got hit for were relatively straightforward self-employment tax issues that TurboTax most ceratinly does pick up...if you report the income. And the rules on what is income and what isn't are not that difficult in these cases - anyone who is self employed should have no questions in their mind about such things.

I don't believe for a second that these guys didn't know exactly what they were doing.
 
  • #117
According to NBC, Nancy Killefer's unpaid-tax liability was around $900.
 
  • #118
Gokul43201 said:
Want to ruin someone's career? Appoint him to your cabinet!

Want to help the IRS on some backlogged collections? Nominate him to your cabinet!

Is this how Obama intends to 'raise' taxes?
 
  • #119
russ_watters said:
One of them (Geithner, I think) did, in fact, claim to have used Turbo Tax.

TurboTax allows GIGO...

Geithner's case is especially despicable since he signed quarterly documents and received payments specifically for his self-employment taxes. And then he ignored them.

Utter arrogance...
 
  • #121
mheslep said:
Nine countries have a flat tax now.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/202
All were communist states?! :-p

I haven't been able to decide whether I like a progressive tax, a flat income tax, or a flat sales tax better.
 
  • #122
Labor Nominee's Hearing Off as Husband's Tax Liens Surface
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/05/AR2009020503148.html
A Senate committee yesterday abruptly called off a session to consider President Obama's nomination of Rep. Hilda Solis (D-Calif.) to be labor secretary after learning that her husband had paid about $6,400 to settle tax liens, some on file as long as 16 years.
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The White House defended Solis, saying that the taxes paid Wednesday were for the Los Angeles area auto repair business owned solely by her husband, Sam Sayyad. "If you owe taxes . . . you should pay them," said Obama press secretary Robert Gibbs. "But at the same time, this obviously is a business that she's not a partner in and we're not going to hold her responsible for."

Deputy press secretary Tommy Vietor added that Sayyad chose to settle the liens -- first reported by USA Today -- even though he believes he had previously paid the taxes and fees. He said Sayyad "does not believe the penalties were correctly assessed" and plans to appeal.
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One should pay, then appeal. Can't these people find good tax consultants?

I think the folks in congress need to write a tax code that is not so vague and ambiguous. Others simply need to pay their taxes - like the rest of us. :rolleyes:


Update: Obama's Team
http://projects.nytimes.com/44th_president/new_team
 
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  • #123
Astronuc said:
I think the folks in congress need to write a tax code that is not so vague and ambiguous. Others simply need to pay their taxes - like the rest of us. :rolleyes:
Is that support for a flat tax?
 
  • #124
It's support for lawful behavior. You are given a bill for taxes from the county... you pay the taxes. If you don't, you get penalized but you still pay... you don't get into a pissing match arguing about how the penalties were calculated that LASTS FOR 16 YEARS!

Think of all the money that was denied emergency services, road maintenance, school funds etc. by people like these. And their late payment (or no payment in the case of Solis' husband) causes the rest of us to make up the difference with increased tax rates and diminished services.

Still, how does this affect Solis if she is not a partner in the business? I don't see how it should affect her nomination.

There are other issues that should affect her nomination. Namely,
A seemingly innocuous letter sent to the Clerk of the House of Representatives last Thursday by President Obama's Secretary of Labor nominee Hilda Solis raises serious and troubling legal questions about her nomination and apparent violation of House ethics rules. Not only was she involved with a private organization that was lobbying her fellow legislators on a bill that she has cosponsored, but she apparently kept her involvement secret and failed to reveal a clear conflict of interest.

Solis was a co-sponsor in 2007 of the so-called "Employee Free Choice Act," the card check legislation that would effectively eliminate the secret ballot and destroy the ability of employees to make an anonymous decision (without fear of retribution) on whether they want to join a union. She was also a co-sponsor of the Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act, legislation that would force states to allow public safety officers to form unions. At the same time, however, Solis was a board member of a pro-union organization, American Rights at Work, that has been lobbying Congress on both of these bills. According to a letter filed by Solis with the House Clerk on January 29, 2009, she was not just a director of the ARW, along with fellow travelers like David Bonior, Julian Bond, and John Sweeney, she was actually the treasurer. In other words, she is the official legally charged with the fiduciary duty of approving and signing off on all spending by the organization. And to make matters worse, she did not reveal to her colleagues in the House of Representatives that membership on her financial disclosure forms, which may constitute a separate ethical violation.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/101mswgc.asp

More 'exceptions' from the most ethical administration in history?
 
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  • #125
Here is one I admire.

Jane Lubchenko. Here is an article from a speech she gave in 1997.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/279/5350/491

The conclusions from this overview are inescapable: during the last few decades, humans have emerged as a new force of nature. We are modifying physical, chemical, and biological systems in new ways, at faster rates, and over larger spatial scales than ever recorded on Earth. Humans have unwittingly embarked upon a grand experiment with our planet. The outcome of this experiment is unknown, but has profound implications for all of life on Earth. An assessment from the Ecological Society of America entitled the Sustainable Biosphere Initiative states that "environmental problems resulting from human activities have begun to threaten the sustainability of Earth's life support systems... . Among the most critical challenges facing humanity are the conservation, restoration and wise management of the Earth's resources" (21).

Nice to see the separation between science and state being dissolved.
 
  • #126
If Mr. Geithner couldn't figure out his taxes, is it any wonder there are reports that TARP 1 overpaid by $78billion for assets. I can't wait to see how much they overpay for "toxic assets".

I think the recipients of the $78billion and (all future overpayments made by mistake) should be given a tax bill from Mr. Geithner/IRS...call it unearned income...the governments/tax pyer loss is SOMEONES GAIN.

I hope the man is just incompetent.
 
  • #127
WhoWee said:
If Mr. Geithner couldn't figure out his taxes, is it any wonder there are reports that TARP 1 overpaid by $78billion for assets. I can't wait to see how much they overpay for "toxic assets".

I think the recipients of the $78billion and (all future overpayments made by mistake) should be given a tax bill from Mr. Geithner/IRS...call it unearned income...the governments/tax pyer loss is SOMEONES GAIN.

I hope the man is just incompetent.

Wasn't that Paulson who overpaid?

It is kind of telling how much we can trust people to play with hundreds of billions of dollars. They spend 250 billion, 78 billion of it is totally wasted, kind of a bonus for the banks. A large portion of the rest was used for takeovers and buyouts. I am not comfortable trusting former bank CEO's with taxpayer money. These are the same people that knowingly screwed us all over in the first place, and we are going to trust that they won't do it again when we make it as easy as pie to do it. We give a pro schemer and scammer a way to make quick easy billions for his buddies and expect him to not?
 
  • #128
WhoWee said:
If Mr. Geithner couldn't figure out his taxes, is it any wonder there are reports that TARP 1 overpaid by $78billion for assets.
Is it?

Looks like you're blaming the wrong person!
Reuters said:
The U.S. Treasury looks to have overpaid financial institutions to the tune of $78 billion in carrying out capital injections last year, the head of a congressional oversight panel for the government's $700 billion bailout program told lawmakers on Thursday.
...
Warren said the Treasury, under then-Secretary Henry Paulson, misled the public about how it would price them.
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Neil Barofsky, another watchdog for the TARP program, told the Senate committee his office is turning to criminal investigations. "That's going to be a large focus of my office," he said.

Barofsky, the inspector general for TARP within Treasury, told the Los Angeles Times in an interview Wednesday that misrepresentations in applications for TARP funds would be grounds for criminal prosecution.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUKN0535801720090206

http://www.sigtarp.gov/reports/congress/2009/SIGTARP_Initial_Report_to_the_Congress.pdf (warning: 189 page pdf)
 
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  • #129
Or maybe he's not!
Timothy Geithner, 47, has had a seat at the table since the credit crisis erupted in August 2007 and eventually sparked the deep economic downturn the nation is facing now. As a result, at least until his confirmation hearing, he’ll be criticized for having a major role in a government response that hasn’t always instilled confidence in financial markets — even if it prevented a wider financial meltdown.

As the Fed’s man on Wall Street, Mr. Geithner was a key architect of the $30 billion bailout to prevent the bankruptcy of Bear Stearns Cos., leading to charges the government was stoking moral hazard. He shaped the Fed’s lifeline to investment banks that followed, and was among the officials involved in assessing the implications of the troubles around Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers Holdings, American International Group and numerous other firms (from Wachovia to Citigroup) that have come under market pressure.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/11/21/who-is-timothy-geithner/
 
  • #130
The way I've read it, Geithner was responsible for nothing. He helped decide who should and who shouldn't get bailed out, but the responsibility and the allocation of funds ultimately lay with Treasury.
 
  • #131
Paulson was in charge, but Mr. Geithner has been involved from the start...previously he oversaw many of the same banks in NY...this is why they considered him to be too important to do without.

As for results of TARP 1, I've been watching a deal in Pittsburgh/Cleveland. PNC (former Pittsburgh National) is very well capitalized and stable. They didn't want any TARP funds. They told the treasury if they took funds they would use the funds to acquire National City Bank in Cleveland.

They took a few $billion and acquired National City. Then regulators told them about 60 branches were in too close proximity in W. PA and would need to be closed or sold or the deal would not be possible. They decided to move forward and announced there would be changes.

Last week (during the Steeler's victory parade) PNC announced their first loss (I think EVER) due to the acquisition and announced layoffs...5,800 people lost their jobs last week...arguably because of the bailout.
 
  • #132
Gregg withdraws as nominee for Secy of Commerce

Gregg withdraws nomination to become commerce secy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090212/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gregg_withdrawal
WASHINGTON – Republican Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire abruptly withdrew his nomination as commerce secretary Thursday, citing "irresolvable conflicts" with President Barack Obama's handling of the economic stimulus and 2010 census. "We are functioning from a different set of views on many critical items of policy," Gregg said in a statement released by his Senate office.

Gregg, 61, is a former New Hampshire governor who previously served in the House. He has been in the Senate since 1993 and currently serves as the top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, where he is known as a crusader against big spending.
. . . .
In his statement, Gregg thanked Obama for the nomination, and said, "I especially admire his willingness to reach across the aisle."

In citing the stimulus and census, he said, "Prior to accepting this post, we had discussed these and other potential differences, but unfortunately we did not adequately focus on these concerns. We are functioning from a different set of views on many critical items of policy."
. . . .
Ouch! I wonder how far apart Gregg and the Obama administration were.
 
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  • #133
Another one bites the dust. What's going on with this administration?
 
  • #134
Werg22 said:
Another one bites the dust. What's going on with this administration?
Politics?

If you are a republican and you join Obama's administration aren't you rather collaborating with the enemy? Presumably the only reason to consider it would be so that your negotiating position in your own party increases.

Unless of course you are one of those politicians who are only in Washington for the good of the people
 
  • #135
Ouch!

Why doesn't Obama just pick a bunch of spineless cronies? No better way to avoid all this withdrawing nonsense.
 
  • #136
Let's take a Census...ummm, survey...who thinks the selection to replace (now) Gregg makes much of a difference...find a loyal warm body and move forward.

I'm more concerned about Mr. Geithner and the details of his plan.
 
  • #137
Obama could choose to reward either or both of Maine's (R) senators with high-level posts in the administration, since they joined with the democrats to get the stimulus package passed. Maine's (D) governor could appoint democrats to fill the positions to give that party a filibuster-proof majority in the senate.
 
  • #138
March 5, 2009
BREAKING: Gupta withdraws from consideration for cabinet post
Posted: 05:18 PM ET

WASHINGTON (CNN) – CNN correspondent Sanjay Gupta has withdrawn his name from consideration as the nation’s next surgeon general, opting to continue to devote time to his reporting and his medical career.

Gupta will discuss his decision, and the president’s health care agenda, tonight on CNN’s Larry King Live.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ithdraws-from-consideration-for-cabinet-post/
 
  • #139
Nazareth withdraws from Treasury Deputy Sec.; two weeks ago Caroline Atkinson withdrew From Treasury Intl. Affairs.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g9fUAlnzqRFsKsENhDXm_oy6yqjgD96OASSG0
 
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  • #140
withdraw
withdraw
??Hmmmm

maybe, They are discovering that Obama wants them to work like it's a real job and show why they deserve the diplomas they earned.
 
  • #141
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/957178.html"

Another tax-dodger on board.
 
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  • #142
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-kirk_03nat.ART.State.Edition2.4a68fa3.html

WASHINGTON – Ron Kirk's excess deductions for basketball tickets and failure to report speaking fees as income have cost him $10,000 in back taxes, a Senate committee disclosed Monday, in the latest IRS-related embarrassment for an Obama Cabinet pick.

The problems are the first indication of potential trouble for Kirk's nomination to be U.S. trade representative, though White House officials and key senators called the errors minor and predicted the former Dallas mayor will be confirmed by the Senate.

"When you put anybody's tax filings under a microscope, people don't have to be dishonest," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "It's just hard to do all the right things. It certainly shouldn't disqualify him."

. . . .
If that's Reid's attitude, then perhaps he needs to retire - soon.
 
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  • #143
Astronuc said:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-kirk_03nat.ART.State.Edition2.4a68fa3.html

If that's Reid's attitude, then perhaps he needs to retire - soon.
I wouldn't mind it if were even handed about the approach, giving the benefit of the doubt on failure to comply with complex and contradictory rule systems to everyone, or recognizing that the system needs fixing. He does neither.
 
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  • #144
Obama envoy Holbrooke served on AIG's board
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090319/ap_on_go_pr_wh/aig_holbrooke
WASHINGTON – Obama administration special envoy Richard Holbooke was on the American International Group Inc. board of directors in early 2008 when the insurance company locked in the bonuses now stoking national outrage. Holbrooke, a veteran diplomat who is now the administration's point man on Pakistan and Afghanistan, served on the board between 2001 and mid-2008.

During that period, AIG undertook the aggressive investment strategies that led to a near-collapse and forced a multibillion-dollar federal bailout.

. . . .

It remains unclear whether AIG's decision to grant the bonuses ever came before the board. A Holbrooke spokesman declined comment, referring calls to the White House.

. . . .

Holbrooke joined AIG's board in February 2001 and resigned in July 2008, two months before the company nearly collapsed. Over more than seven years as a board member, he may have earned as much as $800,000 in cash and company stock, according to AIG financial documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

. . . .
AIG chose to approve the executive bonuses in the spring of 2008 "despite obvious signs the 2008 performance would be disastrous in comparison to the year before," New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo wrote the House Financial Services Committee on Tuesday. Cuomo's office is investigating AIG's executive compensation programs.

For large companies such as AIG, boards of directors are typically made up of high-profile figures from business and academia.

Boards are expected to give the company's top leaders unvarnished advice. But with AIG on life support, the quality of the guidance the company received from its board is under fire.

"The role of a board is to keep a company from going over a cliff," said Robert Litan, an expert on financial institutions at The Brookings Institution in Washington. "I wouldn't be surprised if, in a future lawsuit, a court were to find the (AIG) directors behaved negligently."

For much of tenure on the AIG board, Holbrooke had a role in approving salaries and compensation. From 2001 until mid-2005, he was a member of the board's compensation committee. According to AIG financial statements, the committee sets the salary for the company's chief executive officer and gives advice on how other senior managers are to be compensated.

Holbrooke also led the board's public policy and social responsibility committee from 2005 through July 2008. The committee assesses how political and public policy issues might affect the company's business operations, performance and corporate reputation, according to AIG.

The actual amounts Holbrooke received as an AIG board member are difficult to pinpoint. Before 2005, the SEC reporting requirements did not call for dollar figures to be attached to the stock and option awards for directors. AIG stock awarded for board service may now be worth far less than the value it had originally.

According to the SEC filings, AIG paid Holbrooke $267,943 in fees and stock awards in 2007; he was paid $232,865 in 2006. Compensation figures for the six months he was on the board in 2008 are not yet available. By prorating his 2007 compensation, he could have earned about $107,500 in directors fees and stock.
I'd like to know what exactly Holbrooke did to earn more than $200K/yr, or the rest of the board, while AIG was mucking around with derivatives and CDS's in which the liabilities exceeded the ability of the company to pay (i.e. while the company was going off a cliff). If a company assumes a liability of $2 trillion and only has something like $200 billion, if that, then there is something terribly wrong.
 
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