Object Acceleration with Vertical Forces: Rising or Descending?

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The discussion revolves around an object moving vertically under the influence of vertical forces, including tension from a rope and air resistance. The original poster seeks to understand how the acceleration of the object differs when it is rising versus when it is descending, given that the magnitudes of all forces remain constant.

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  • Participants discuss the need to create specific scenarios for both rising and descending cases, with some questioning the interpretation of what constitutes an "appropriate scenario." There is also mention of drawing free body diagrams (FBDs) for both situations to derive expressions for acceleration.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the original poster's work for the rising case, suggesting simplifications and emphasizing the need to address the descending case. There is an ongoing exploration of whether the acceleration would differ based on the direction of motion, with some participants questioning the implications of constant force magnitudes.

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Participants note the requirement to use only specific starting equations and the importance of accurately representing forces in the FBDs. There is also a focus on the clarity of posted images, which has been a point of contention in the discussion.

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An object is moving vertically while being pulled from above by a rope (or cable, wire, or string). The object is also subject to a significant air resistance force that can't be ignored. All forces acting on it are strictly vertical (pointing up or down only).

Question: If the magnitudes of all forces remain the same, does the object have a greater acceleration if it's rising or if it's descending?

To answer this question, create an appropriate scenario, then draw two FBDs for the object, one for the case in which it's rising, and one for the case in which it's descending. Use N2L and your FBDs to derive expressions that will allow you to calculate the magnitude of the object's acceleration in each case.

Review the summary sheet on FBDs before starting your solution

The only starting equations permitted for this assignment are ΣF = ma and FG =mg

Derive symbolic expressions for the acceleration in each case, then substitute and calculate
 

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Could someone help me create a scenario? Thanks!
 
paperboy221 said:
Could someone help me create a scenario? Thanks!

Please post your images properly; they are sideways now, and so will be ignored by almost everybody.
 
Welcome to PF!

Your work for the case of rising looks good. There is no need to write the friction force in terms of speed, you could just write the friction force as f, say.

You will need to repeat for the system descending. (You posted two figures for rising, but none for descending.)

I'm not sure what is meant by creating an "appropriate scenario". That could mean coming up with a specific physical scenario or it could mean different mathematical scenarios that addresses different cases depending on the relative sizes of the individual forces. I'm inclined to think it's the latter.

Anyway, after you deal with the descending case you will want to compare your acceleration formulas for ascending and descending.

As Ray pointed out, it would be appreciated if you could rotate your figures so we don't get a crick in the neck. :smile:
 
I flipped the images around!
Thanks
 
TSny said:
(You posted two figures for rising
To be precise, the same image posted twice.
paperboy221 said:
I flipped the images around!
They're still not upright.
 
haruspex said:
To be precise, the same image posted twice.
Precise, indeed.:smile:
 
Since they specify ALL forces remain the same whether its rising of falling, it would lead me to believe the acceleration would be the same, as acceleration isn't dependent on direction.. the force of friction would be dependent (and opposite as always) the direction of motion, but is the only force which changes direction
 
Rx7man said:
ALL forces remain the same
It says their magnitudes remain the same.
 
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Sorry for the inaccuracy.. , you are right
 

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