Objects Disappearing: Is It Possible?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of objects disappearing or moving without cause, particularly in the context of quantum physics. Participants explore implications for determinism and the nature of mathematical laws in relation to physical phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible for an object to disappear or move without cause, linking this to the implications for deterministic calculations.
  • Another participant asserts that conservation laws prevent such occurrences, suggesting a limitation on the possibility of objects disappearing.
  • A third participant challenges the clarity of the term "out of nothing," asking for a definition and expressing skepticism about its correlation with quantum behavior.
  • There is a suggestion that mathematical existence may be contingent upon these conservation laws, raising further questions about the relationship between math and physical laws.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the concept of objects disappearing and the implications for determinism, with no consensus reached on the interpretations of "out of nothing" or the relationship between conservation laws and mathematics.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined key terms such as "out of nothing," and there are unresolved assumptions about the nature of quantum systems and their implications for determinism.

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Hello,

i am a complete ignorant in quantum physics, still from what i have heard I've wondered the following: is it possible for an object to just disappear out of nothing? Or move from a place to another our of nothing? If it could it would mean that we cannot perform calculations in a determinist way, since i couldn't say 4 balls plus 4 balls equals 8 balls, what if tomorrow i count again and i have 7?
 
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DarkFalz said:
Hello,

i am a complete ignorant in quantum physics, still from what i have heard I've wondered the following: is it possible for an object to just disappear out of nothing? Or move from a place to another our of nothing? If it could it would mean that we cannot perform calculations in a determinist way, since i couldn't say 4 balls plus 4 balls equals 8 balls, what if tomorrow i count again and i have 7?

No, there are conservation laws that prevent that.
 
And it is valid to say that math can only exist because of these laws?
 
I think perhaps you might need to explain your "out of nothing" statement. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean without an apparent cause? Because correlating "out of nothing" to the "hopping" of quantum systems doesn't really make any sense, at least to me.
 

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