I Observables on the "3 polarizers experiment"

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The discussion centers on the analogy between the three polarizers experiment and the Stern-Gerlach experiment, focusing on the concept of non-commuting observables. It highlights that measuring one component, such as vertical polarization, results in a loss of information about another component, like the 45-degree polarization. The probability amplitude for a photon passing through a 45-degree filter is affected by prior measurements, reducing to a 50% chance after measuring vertical polarization. The conversation emphasizes that just as spin states can be expressed as combinations of other states, polarized light can also be represented in terms of different orientations. Understanding these relationships is crucial for grasping the implications of quantum measurements.
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Analogy between 3 polarizers experiment and Stern-Gerlach experiment
Observables on the "3 polarizers experiment"
Hi guys,

I was analyzing the 3 polarizers experiment. This one: (first 2 minutes -> )

Doing the math (https://faculty.csbsju.edu/frioux/polarize/POLAR-sup.pdf) I realized that the process is similar to the Stern-Gerlach' experiment.

Using spins for the Stern Gerlach experiment: if you prepare a spin up (Z component) sample (first filter), and pass it to a second filter that measure the X component of the spin. You lose information about the Z component.

I undertand that Z and X component are non-commuting observables.

My question is:

Is there there an analogy for the polarizers experiment?

For example, if I measure the vertical component (first polarizer), I cannot get information about the 45º component (second polarizer).

I would guess the answer is Yes, however I cannot understand the "45º component" physical meaning.
 
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DougFisica said:
For example, if I measure the vertical component (first polarizer), I cannot get information about the 45º component (second polarizer).

I would guess the answer is Yes, however I cannot understand the "45º component" physical meaning.
What you are calling “the 45º component” is the probability amplitude that the photon will pass through a filter oriented at 45 degrees. No matter what that amplitude was before the vertical polarizer (it could even have been 1, if the photon had previously passed through a polarizer at 45º) the vertical measurement leaves that amplitude at ##\sqrt{2}/2## - we no longer know anything about the previous state and the photon has a 50% chance of passing a 45º filter.

To continue the analogy with the Stern-Gerlach measurement: just as the particle state “spin up” can be written as the vector sum of the states “spin left” and “spin right”, the vertically polarized state of a photon can be written as the vector sum of the states “polarized at 45º” and “polarized at -45º“.
 
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Thanks for the answer =)
 
For the quantum state ##|l,m\rangle= |2,0\rangle## the z-component of angular momentum is zero and ##|L^2|=6 \hbar^2##. According to uncertainty it is impossible to determine the values of ##L_x, L_y, L_z## simultaneously. However, we know that ##L_x## and ## L_y##, like ##L_z##, get the values ##(-2,-1,0,1,2) \hbar##. In other words, for the state ##|2,0\rangle## we have ##\vec{L}=(L_x, L_y,0)## with ##L_x## and ## L_y## one of the values ##(-2,-1,0,1,2) \hbar##. But none of these...

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