Observables when the symmetry is not broken?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the observability of quantum excitations of a scalar field in scenarios of broken and unbroken symmetry, particularly in the context of inflationary cosmology. Participants explore theoretical implications and examples related to field potentials and their minima.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the quantum of a scalar field can be observed when the field is at the minimum of its potential for φ=0, as in the case of chaotic inflation.
  • Another participant clarifies the nature of symmetry, distinguishing between global and local gauge symmetries, and discusses the implications of global symmetry breaking in the context of QCD and the resulting massless pseudoscalar particles, such as pions.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of observing certain particles, like the σ-meson, which is described as a broad resonance rather than a well-defined particle.
  • Participants engage in a clarification regarding the terminology used, specifically the distinction between "exciting the field" versus "exciting the space," emphasizing the need for precision in language.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of familiarity with the concepts discussed, particularly regarding inflatons, and there is no consensus on the observability of the inflaton boson in the context of unbroken symmetry.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the nature of symmetry and its implications for particle observability remain unresolved, and the discussion highlights the complexity of the relationship between field theory and observable particles.

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Hi,

Let be a scalar field φ that permeates all space. The quantum of the field has a mass m. The field is at the minimum of its potential. When this minimum is for φ≠0 (a broken symmetry), the quantum may be observed by exciting the field, as with the Higgs boson.

But if the symmetry is not broken, the field is at the minimum of its potential for φ=0. Is it then possible to observe its quantum?

I am asking this thinking of inflationary cosmology: in a scenario such as the "new inflation" the inflaton field potential has its minimum for φ≠0. The inflaton boson may then, at least in a thought experiment, be observable with an accelerator. But with the "chaotic inflation" the minimum is at φ=0. Is the inflaton boson observable then?

I would be grateful if you could enlighten me.
 
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You are a bit vague. What symmetry are you talking about? Is the symmetry a global one or a local gauge symmetry.

If you have a global symmetry (like the light-quark sector of QCD in the chiral limit, which has a ##\mathrm{SU}(2)_{\text{L}} \times \mathrm{SU}(2)_{\text{R}}## chiral symmetry), then you can have symmetry breaking. Then some scalar or pseudoscalar field has a non-vanishing vacuum expectation value. In the case of QCD that's the non-vanishing scalar quark condenstae, ##\langle \Omega|\bar{\psi} \psi|\Omega \rangle \neq 0##. This breaks the chiral symmetry to ##\mathrm{SU}(2)_{\text{V}}## (that it's the iso-vector subgroup that's the unbroken part is due to the small different quark up- and down-quark masses).

In hadron phenomenology that implies that there are 3 massless pseudoscalar particles, which are the pions. In reality they have a (small) mass, because the chiral symmetry is only approximate and broken by the light-quark masses. The order parameter of the chiral symmetry, the quark condensate, maps to a corresponding scalar-boson state, the ##f_0(500)## aka ##\sigma##-meson.

Usually for each quantum field you also have the corresponding excitations which are observed as particles. There's no doubt about the pions. It's already somewhat difficult for the ##\sigma##-meson, which is a very broad resonance rather then anything resembling a particle.

I can't say anything about inflatons since I'm not familiar enough with the quantum aspects of inflation.
 
mbond said:
the quantum may be observed by exiting the space

What do you mean by this?
 
PeterDonis said:
What do you mean by this?
exciting, sorry.
 
mbond said:
exciting, sorry

Ok, but then "exciting the space" isn't correct. You don't excite the "space", you excite the field--you add energy to it, in order to observe quanta of the field.
 

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