Occam's razor in science: all-time practice or modern fashion?

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The discussion revolves around the role and historical significance of Occam's razor in scientific practice, questioning whether it has always been a fundamental principle or if its prominence is a modern trend. Participants explore its application in various scientific contexts, including its relationship with Bayesian inference and philosophical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Occam's razor was rarely mentioned by historical scientists and suggests its modern status as a cornerstone of science may be overstated.
  • Another participant compares the evolution of scientific practices, such as the reporting of uncertainty, to the increasing invocation of Occam's razor in contemporary science.
  • Some participants propose that both Occam's razor and Popper's falsifiability can be understood within the framework of Bayesian inference, while others challenge this view.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of Occam's razor, with one participant suggesting it implies the most probable answer is the correct one, while another argues it should be viewed as the simplest answer that fits the facts.
  • Concerns are raised about the philosophical underpinnings of scientific principles, with one participant asserting that all scientific methods have a philosophical basis.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the historical application of Occam's razor and seek references to support claims regarding its prominence in modern scientific discourse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the historical significance of Occam's razor or its current role in scientific methodology. Multiple competing views remain regarding its application and philosophical implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants express a desire for historical research to clarify the evolution of Occam's razor in scientific practice, indicating a lack of concrete references to support claims about its changing relevance over time.

  • #61
Dale said:
Here is an Insights article I wrote on using Bayesian inference
Seen that, but you know... 'inside science' it's nice but kind of redundant, while 'outside science' you'll lose the public at 'Baye...', because it continues with equations and not with football o:)

I think to mitigate Occam's failure for the public you'll need something what can go with a beer or two too :wink:
 
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  • #62
Rive said:
'inside science' it's nice but kind of redundant
Well, I don't think it is redundant since many scientists are not familiar with Bayesian methods.
 
  • #63
I've read the first two references in Nature's editorial, as cited in Lord Jestocost's post, a few posts above, and I'd like to share some thoughts of mine about their claims.

In Hoffmann et al. review article, the authors discuss Occam's Razor, both historically and through comparisons with other "simplifying" principles, within the framework of reaction mechanisms in chemistry. In the last sections, they also mention its status in Bayesian analysis. As I understand from the numerous statistics-inclined posts in this thread, those sections will be most interesting. The article itself is rather long, twenty-one pages plus notes & references, but it's worth reading. The concluding passage is the authors' remark that Occam's Razor is more like "an instruction in an operating manual," rather than "a world view."

The second reference in Nature, however, is more intriguing. It's called "Inverse Occam's razor," by I. Mazin. It's not a research paper, call it a short review article. It talks about a current tendency among journal editors to prefer complicated papers rather than simpler ones---hence the name "inverse." The reasons appear to be less scientific and more about the impact such publications will make.

Philosophy is one discipline and science is another, and how much they overlap is, in my opinion, not an objective issue. I prefer to see them as `orthogonal' to each other and, personally, I'm reluctant to entrust the interpretation of a 21th-century set of experimental data to a 14th-century "scholastic Philosopher."

But let me, for the sake of argument, assume for a moment the validity of Occam's Razor. The `simpler approach' it suggests is how we, people, tend to model our data in the hope of tracing some pattern in them. That should never be taken as some indication that Nature prefers to be simpler as well! Natural phenomena can and, most probably, are too complicated. Practicing scientists experience that during all their daily work.

I particularly enjoyed what Feynman used to lecture about `simplicity' in Nature; the video is from his famous "Go somewhere else!" statement:
 
  • #64
apostolosdt said:
That should never be taken as some indication that Nature prefers to be simpler as well!
This is a good point. Sometimes you hear Occham’s razor mis-stated as “all other things equal the simplest explanation is usually right”. The simplest explanation is usually the best, even if it is not right. And in science we generally assume that none of our explanations are “right”, so “best” is all we can do.
 

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