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The Occupy Wall Street protests in New York have entered their second week, with approximately 5,000 participants initially gathering on September 17. Protesters are voicing their discontent over issues such as bank bailouts, the mortgage crisis, and the execution of Troy Davis, leading to 80 arrests reported by the New York Times. While some view the movement as disorganized, others argue that it highlights significant economic disparities and calls for reforms like reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act. The protests are seen as a response to rising poverty and unemployment rates in the U.S., with many participants expressing frustration over the current economic situation. The ongoing demonstrations reflect a broader sentiment of dissatisfaction with the financial system and government accountability.
  • #301
Galteeth said:
well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_squatting_ban
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/dutch-police-forcibly-disperse-squatters-demonstration-in-amsterdam-17-arrested/2011/10/01/gIQAEei8CL_story.html

Oh that. I've been around squatters a lot; I often disagree with them. They're mostly a pretty boring people, ideological hippy youth comes closest. Some real protest happens about once every ten years; it looks more violent than it is.

I mean boring as that we have about one drive-by shooting around every three years in the Netherlands. A bunch of ducks crossing the streets can cause a national incident; it is a pretty boring well-run place. [ Not official stats, just joking. ]
 
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Many US states of similar size to the Netherlands (e.g. Pennsylvania, Virginia) are also relatively well run places.
 
  • #303
Oltz said:
Every evening, the same 10 friends eat dinner together, family style, at the same restaurant. The bill for all 10 comes to $100. They always pay it the way we pay taxes:
• The first four are poor and pay nothing.
• The fifth pays $1.
• The sixth pays $3.
• The seventh, $7
• The eighth, $12.
• The ninth, $18.
• The 10th, (the most well-to-do) pays $59.

Great! That sounds just. What are we arguing about then?

You're not suggesting that you let the first seven people starve to death are you?

Okay, technically just the first 6. The seventh one can probably make it on 70% of the food he's hungry for. But on a 30% diet, you'd be starving. On a 10% diet, probably starving to death. In any case, by extension, if you see this as unfair, then how do you feel about feeding your kids and grandchildren? How much are they paying to eat?
Oltz said:
What you want is the same as saying Kenyans make up 1% of the population they are not allowed to have more then 1 pair of shoes anymore if they already have more thne 1 pair of shoes we need to take them away and give them to the Jamaicans. We are the 99% and we can do that since their are more of us.

No, what I want is for the poor Kenyans to be given access to clean water, a roof over their heads, education, opportunity, a healthy diet, and sure, why not? shoes. I don't care if one Kenyan has eight pairs of shoes, but yes, it would be nice for each to have at least one pair of shoes. And yeah, we are the 99% and we can do that, since there are more of us.
 
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  • #304
WhoWee said:
my bold
This started back in Post 214 - please note I added **** to separate our comments.

"WhoWee

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Re: Occupy Wall Street protest in New-York
Originally Posted by JDoolin
Well, when you protest against the poor, you're not really likely to get arrested, regardless of how misguided you are. When you protest against the rich, there's considerably more chance of being arrested.
****
Who protested against the poor? Please support."

I really don't think your rant (that I highlighted in bold) supports your original comment. Also, what is the source for your definition of "ANTI-POOR"?

Just show me a Tea-Party sponsored food pantry, or a Tea-Party sponsored homeless shelter. Please, I'm just asking you to make your case that the Tea-Party is not anti-poor. Show me something that is incontrovertible proof that the Tea Party is NOT anti-poor.
 
  • #305
JDoolin said:
Just show me a Tea-Party sponsored food pantry, or a Tea-Party sponsored homeless shelter. Please, I'm just asking you to make your case that the Tea-Party is not anti-poor. Show me something that is incontrovertible proof that the Tea Party is NOT anti-poor.

Never ask a question you don't know the answer to when trying to be a smarty.

http://www.summitteaparty.com/Generic.aspx?PAGE=Summit912_Middlebury_Chapel&portalName=Summit912

http://cacheteaparty.blogspot.com/2010/01/food-pantry-needs-to-expand.html

http://brightonteaparty.ning.com/profiles/blogs/gleaners-food-bank

http://rockrivertimes.com/2010/03/31/april-6-tea-party-food-drive-to-replenish-rockford-area-food-pantry/

http://bentoncountyteaparty.webs.com/apps/blog/show/5337376-bc-tea-party-canned-food-drive
 
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  • #306
WhoWee said:
Never ask a question you don't know the answer to when trying to be a smarty.

http://www.summitteaparty.com/Generic.aspx?PAGE=Summit912_Middlebury_Chapel&portalName=Summit912

http://cacheteaparty.blogspot.com/2010/01/food-pantry-needs-to-expand.html

http://brightonteaparty.ning.com/profiles/blogs/gleaners-food-bank

http://rockrivertimes.com/2010/03/31/april-6-tea-party-food-drive-to-replenish-rockford-area-food-pantry/

http://bentoncountyteaparty.webs.com/apps/blog/show/5337376-bc-tea-party-canned-food-drive

:biggrin:

Thank you.

Now we are the 99%

And so are you.
 
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  • #307
WhoWee said:
The link indicates there was $150,000 in damages to the new garden where they camped? Did they have a permit to camp in the garden?

The two veterans holding the large American flags certainly didn't cause the $150,000 in damage. Like I mentioned before, arrest those who probably deserved it.

As far a s a man standing in a park holding a large American flag ; let him stand there until he decides to leave, or wait until hell freezes over. Don't ever throw that flag on the ground.

Edit: There were $150,000 worth of new plants in the park. There was no actual number or value given for plants destroyed or damaged if any.
 
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  • #308
http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/es/09/ES0910.pdf


Of course it is contrary to Republican orthodoxy of always wanting less regulation.

Honkapohja (2009) cites deregulation of the financial
system in the 1980s as the root of both the economic downturn and the financial crisis.3 Around 1980, attractive
interest rates amplified inflows of capital; in these deregulated markets, credit expanded according to market forces.
Honkapohja notes that this “led to uncontrolled credit
expansion” and “soaring indebtedness in the private sector”
and furthermore that the rules and practices of 1969 were
left unchanged when banking was deregulated and financial
instruments evolved. The result was an increase in information asymmetry—the now all-too-familiar historical precursor to financial crises—amplified by international capital
inflows
 
  • #309
WhoWee said:
Never ask a question you don't know the answer to when trying to be a smarty.

http://www.summitteaparty.com/Generic.aspx?PAGE=Summit912_Middlebury_Chapel&portalName=Summit912
Well, well. I guess a note to the IRS to check out if their activities are in order? :-p

Section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct

http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=96099,00.html
 
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  • #311
Evo said:
Well, well. I guess a note to the IRS to check out if their activities are in order? :-p

From the Summit Web Site

"Summit Tea Party
Rally Guidelines and Disclaimer


Summit 9/12 & SCRG does not suggest, condone, promote, incite, overlook or tolerate acts of violence towards any persons, race or property. We believe in and abide by the rule of law as embodied in the Constitution of the United States. It is that very Constitution which provides for the proper and peaceful means for the expression of political opinion and the transition of political power.

Signs, shirts, flyers and other acts of expression are welcomed at our event. Please be advised that any sign, shirt or other act of expression that is of a racist nature, encourages a specific act of violence or does not comply with the principals and values we uphold will not be tolerated. Counter protest or any attempts or any attempts at disruption will not be tolerated.

Summit TEA Party volunteers will be monitoring the crowd and reserve the right to ask you to leave, should these guidelines not be followed. If you are asked to leave, you may be photographed and or video tapped and may be referred to the Cuyahoga Falls Police department who will be present in large numbers at this event.

Summit 9/12 and SCRG regards any reported incidents of violence, racism or destruction of property very seriously. Summit 9/12 and OSRG however do not engage in unproductive speculation or rush to judgment. Summit 9/12 and OSRG rely on the results of an official investigation by authorities before issuing a specific statement relative to any reported incident.

In the meantime, we strongly encourage all individuals concerned about any reported incidents to rely solely on reliable factual information before forming an opinion. To do otherwise, we believe, would not serve to foster an atmosphere of civil discourse and responsible actions beneficial to all."


Quite a contrast to the Occupy web site:
http://occupywallst.org/

"#OWS Stands In Solidarity With 100 Arrested At Occupy Boston"
 
  • #312
If Wall Street has given more to President Obama than any other political candidate does that mean the OWS protesters are racist just like the TEA Party? (http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/)

I know they're really not (I don't believe either movement is racially motivated at all), but it's interesting how one movement gets taggest as biggots/racist/whatever and the other doesn't. However, I'm still amazed (well, kind of) at how many arrests there are at these OWS protests. Free love and peace and all that: as long as you don't disagree with my point of view!
 
  • #313
WhoWee said:


From the Summit Web Site

"Summit Tea Party
Rally Guidelines and Disclaimer


Summit 9/12 & SCRG does not suggest, condone, promote, incite, overlook or tolerate acts of violence towards any persons, race or property. We believe in and abide by the rule of law as embodied in the Constitution of the United States. It is that very Constitution which provides for the proper and peaceful means for the expression of political opinion and the transition of political power.

Signs, shirts, flyers and other acts of expression are welcomed at our event. Please be advised that any sign, shirt or other act of expression that is of a racist nature, encourages a specific act of violence or does not comply with the principals and values we uphold will not be tolerated. Counter protest or any attempts or any attempts at disruption will not be tolerated.

Summit TEA Party volunteers will be monitoring the crowd and reserve the right to ask you to leave, should these guidelines not be followed. If you are asked to leave, you may be photographed and or video tapped and may be referred to the Cuyahoga Falls Police department who will be present in large numbers at this event.

Summit 9/12 and SCRG regards any reported incidents of violence, racism or destruction of property very seriously. Summit 9/12 and OSRG however do not engage in unproductive speculation or rush to judgment. Summit 9/12 and OSRG rely on the results of an official investigation by authorities before issuing a specific statement relative to any reported incident.

In the meantime, we strongly encourage all individuals concerned about any reported incidents to rely solely on reliable factual information before forming an opinion. To do otherwise, we believe, would not serve to foster an atmosphere of civil discourse and responsible actions beneficial to all."


Quite a contrast to the Occupy web site:
http://occupywallst.org/

"#OWS Stands In Solidarity With 100 Arrested At Occupy Boston"

Quite a contrast? That link was in response to the arrests made in Boston. You mixed oranges and apples and then posted a lemon.

The group that was arrested had no chance to get a permit due to the long holiday weekend. Had they had a chance to request a permit it could not have been refused. The police raid was at 1:20 Am Monday morning.

They had trash trucks standing by and through all personal possessions, tents cameras computers etc in the trash.
 
  • #314
mege said:
If Wall Street has given more to President Obama than any other political candidate does that mean the OWS protesters are racist just like the TEA Party? (http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/)

I know they're really not (I don't believe either movement is racially motivated at all), but it's interesting how one movement gets taggest as biggots/racist/whatever and the other doesn't. However, I'm still amazed (well, kind of) at how many arrests there are at these OWS protests. Free love and peace and all that: as long as you don't disagree with my point of view!

I'm not feeling the love and peace on their web site?

http://occupywallst.org/

"Every day the actions of the BPD, NYPD, etc. continue to remind us that the police no longer fight to "protect and serve" the American people, but rather the wealth and power of the 1%. With each passing day, as the violence of the state continues to escalate, the myth of American "democracy" becomes further shattered.

THIS IS WHAT A POLICE STATE LOOKS LIKE

And we are what democracy looks like. We do not fear your power and we will continue to fight for a better world. We will never stop growing and each day we'll continue to expand, block by block and city by city. We call upon others to join us, to take a stand against these ever encroaching threats to our liberty. We commend the brave actions of our sisters and brothers in Boston and condemn the BPD leadership. We call upon the rank-and-file police officers of this country to disobey such orders and remember that they protect and serve the people. You are one of us, the 99% and we're too big to fail."


This is interesting also: my bold

"And so we call on people to act

We call for protests to remain active in the cities. Those already there, to grow, to organize, to raise consciousnesses, for those cities where there are no protests, for protests to organize and disrupt the system.

We call for workers to not only strike, but seize their workplaces collectively, and to organize them democratically. We call for students and teachers to act together, to teach democracy, not merely the teachers to the students, but the students to the teachers. To seize the classrooms and free minds together.

We call for the unemployed to volunteer, to learn, to teach, to use what skills they have to support themselves as part of the revolting people as a community.

We call for the organization of people's assemblies in every city, every public square, every township.

We call for the seizure and use of abandoned buildings, of abandoned land, of every property seized and abandoned by speculators, for the people, for every group that will organize them.

We call for a revolution of the mind as well as the body politic."
 
  • #315
edward said:
Quite a contrast? That link was in response to the arrests made in Boston. You mixed oranges and apples and then posted a lemon.

The group that was arrested had no chance to get a permit due to the long holiday weekend. Had they had a chance to request a permit it could not have been refused. The police raid was at 1:20 Am Monday morning.

They had trash trucks standing by and through all personal possessions, tents cameras computers etc in the trash.

Please read through the http://occupywallst.org/ website - it seems a bit militant to me.
 
  • #317
edward said:
Quite a contrast? That link was in response to the arrests made in Boston. You mixed oranges and apples and then posted a lemon.

The group that was arrested had no chance to get a permit due to the long holiday weekend. Had they had a chance to request a permit it could not have been refused. The police raid was at 1:20 Am Monday morning.

They had trash trucks standing by and through all personal possessions, tents cameras computers etc in the trash.

Can't the revolution wait until Monday when they could get a permit to use public property for a protest? The protesters were publicly warned about trespassing but went ahead anyhow to play martyr.

No sympathy for the disruptions and lawlessness that is being portrayed 'on behalf of the people' (which... I make under 50k/yr and don't consider myself to be part of this 99%).
 
  • #319
mege said:
The TEA Party members were also following all applicable laws with respect to their firearms. Was anyone shot or arrested at a TEA Party rally?

Luckily not yet.

The topic was militancy at the Occupy wall Street groups. I just made a comparison.

Never the less I suppose you are fine with having the Boston police throw the American flag on the ground. That is simply not done by police anywhere anytime in America.
 
  • #320
mege said:
Can't the revolution wait until Monday when they could get a permit to use public property for a protest? The protesters were publicly warned about trespassing but went ahead anyhow to play martyr.

No sympathy for the disruptions and lawlessness that is being portrayed 'on behalf of the people' (which... I make under 50k/yr and don't consider myself to be part of this 99%).

They were not teaspassing they had made an advance agreement with the Board of Directors of the Green Space garden in Boston to use the property.

As for your income, I hope that is secure. Jobs can disapear very quickly.
 
  • #321
edward said:
Luckily not yet.

The topic was militancy at the Occupy wall Street groups. I just made a comparison.

Never the less I suppose you are fine with having the Boston police throw the American flag on the ground. That is simply not done by police anywhere anytime in America.

3+ Years of TEA Party protests (sidearms and all!) and no memorable arrests (quite a few liberal counter-protesters were arrested when they got out of hand). 3 weeks of OWS protests and hundreds of arrests.

The TEA Party protests, as WhoWee has quoted, specifically do not want to confront law enforcement. OWS, on the otherhand, appears to be using confrontations as a tool. There are rules for protesting on public property to prevent total anarchy (and to give a civil course of action for counter-protests), the OWS protesters are flat ignoring those rules.

I suppose, in the end, it depends on how you definine militancy. Trying to incite a revolution at the expense of law enforcement's safety seems pretty militant to me. The OWS protesters may not have guns at their side but they're threatening the safety of other Americans a lot more. The whole idea of 'occupying' an area for an extended period of time seems very militant as well. When did a TEA Party protest last for more than a few days in any single location? The term 'occupy' in and of itself has a militant connotation. (occupy definition - "to take possession and control of (a place), as by military invasion." )
 
  • #322
edward said:
They were not teaspassing they had made an advance agreement with the Board of Directors of the Green Space garden in Boston to use the property.

As for your income, I hope that is secure. Jobs can disapear very quickly.

"Boston police say they had warned around 1,000 protesters to stay in Dewey Square and a small, nearby strip of the Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Greenway a few hours after they occupied the main Greenway area."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-arrest-100-protesters-throw-tents-bins.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15262310 (above quote from here)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/11/national/main20118461.shtml

Nowhere do I read about some prior agreement for the new area of the greenway (which is where the arrests took place, they were allowed in the unrennovated part). In fact the CBS story notes: "The protesters, part of the national Occupy Wall Street movement, had tried to expand from their original site in Dewey Square to a second site across the street, along the Rose Kennedy Greenway. A local conservancy group recently planted $150,000 worth of shrubs along the greenway, and officials said they were concerned about damage." (bold mine)

Regarding jobs: I wonder how many of the 'under employed' have some non-demand degree (I generally use non-teaching 'English' as an example) and aren't reacting to the available jobs. There's plenty of jobs out there, it's just that the available jobs don't match up with the current national skillset. (source). Personally, I have worked in IT for over 10 years and have freely moved several times (most recently for my wife) and found a new job after quitting my old one within a month. I'm actually looking to hire two entry level techs (I'd take a competent high school grad and pay for some training even) and the candidates are slim pickings.
 
  • #323
Defending ones right to be wealthy Does not equal defending the wealthy

Being Anti Socialism does not equal Anti Poor

The "99%" does not ever have the right to take assests from the 1% no matter who is rich or who is poor.

Any lawfully gained property is protected period I don't care if it is a homeless man's shoes or a billionaires Jet.

That is the difference between the OWS crowd and poeple who actually defend the freedoms of this counrty. Freedom.
The freedom to amass and do whatever you want with your abilities and wealth as well as the freedom to not use abilities to your full potential.

Life Libety pursuit of happiness, Protection from unlawful seizure, Unjust Taking, Right to Bear Arms, Freedom of speech and press

How many of those rights would you willingly give up? Why do you think you have the right to take them from somebody else just beacuse they have more money then you?

The only people who do not have those rights are those convicted of crimes with due process and sentenced to prison where there rights are restricted in response to the actions they Chose to take.
 
  • #324
mege said:
Regarding jobs: I wonder how many of the 'under employed' have some non-demand degree (I generally use non-teaching 'English' as an example) and aren't reacting to the available jobs. There's plenty of jobs out there, it's just that the available jobs don't match up with the current national skillset. (source). Personally, I have worked in IT for over 10 years and have freely moved several times (most recently for my wife) and found a new job after quitting my old one within a month. I'm actually looking to hire two entry level techs (I'd take a competent high school grad and pay for some training even) and the candidates are slim pickings.

Last time I looked, there were fifteen million highly trained US citizens either unemployed or working in jobs which hardly required their skill set. Wouldn't it be easy just to pick up someone with a technical degree in math or physics?
 
  • #325
Oltz said:
Defending ones right to be wealthy Does not equal defending the wealthy

Being Anti Socialism does not equal Anti Poor

The "99%" does not ever have the right to take assests from the 1% no matter who is rich or who is poor.

Any lawfully gained property is protected period I don't care if it is a homeless man's shoes or a billionaires Jet.

That is the difference between the OWS crowd and poeple who actually defend the freedoms of this counrty. Freedom.
The freedom to amass and do whatever you want with your abilities and wealth as well as the freedom to not use abilities to your full potential.

Life Libety pursuit of happiness, Protection from unlawful seizure, Unjust Taking, Right to Bear Arms, Freedom of speech and press

How many of those rights would you willingly give up? Why do you think you have the right to take them from somebody else just beacuse they have more money then you?

The only people who do not have those rights are those convicted of crimes with due process and sentenced to prison where there rights are restricted in response to the actions they Chose to take.

Okay, I think the biggest fallacy of your argument is assuming there is a connection between "using abilities to their full potential" and "accumulating money and amassing wealth."

There's really not much of a connection there. There are a rare few individuals who, when they use their abilities to their full potential, they also happen to accumulate wealth. But in general those who accumulate wealth is just a matter of being in the right place at the right time, while using your abilities to full potential is a life of work and inspiration.

A second fallacy here is that those convicted of crimes are "choosing" to take the actions that they do. In their own minds, at least, they are put in situations where they "have no choice" Maybe they are mistaken, but there are certainly white collar crimes that do just as much, or more damage to society. And many of those white collar crimes are actually legal to commit.

A third fallacy here is that people who do "unjust taking" are prosecuted and go to jail. That is based on the level of the crime. With good enough lawyers, a congress in your pocket, and an environment where you can get the media to look the other way, you should be able to walk away without any punishment, or maybe a slap on the wrist.

A fourth fallacy here is that the 99% are interested in unlawful seizure, and unjust taking. I think they are more interested in changing the law so "unjust taking" becomes unlawful.

A fifth fallacy here is that "rights are restricted" when prisoners go to jail. No, they are stripped away entirely. Paid three cents an hour for labor, and when they get out, they no longer have access to welfare or food-stamps or jobs. The only place for them to go is back to prison.

A sixth fallacy is that "anti-socialist" and "anti-poor" are NOT synonyms. Unless you are actively pursuing or promoting some OTHER reasonable way to support and protect the poor, and bring them up to a level where they have the education and opportunities wealthier people do, then you are supporting an imbalanced field.

Finally, one more fallacy, when you say: "That is the difference between the OWS crowd and poeple who actually defend the freedoms of this counrty. Freedom. The freedom to amass and do whatever you want with your abilities and wealth as well as the freedom to not use abilities to your full potential."

The Occupy Wall Street crowd is not happy with this freedom to "not use abilities to your full potential." We do not WANT to be offered the freedom to NOT use our abilities. We want to work. We want to be productive.

I would almost guarantee that if somebody went out and started handing out jobs to those kids, (especially if they were jobs to help others) they would disperse. But right now, they are using their other freedom you mentioned, "the freedom to amass," in order to make their presence clear.
 
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  • #326
edward said:
Luckily not yet.

The topic was militancy at the Occupy wall Street groups. I just made a comparison.

Never the less I suppose you are fine with having the Boston police throw the American flag on the ground. That is simply not done by police anywhere anytime in America.

Are you certain it was a Boston Police Officer that threw the American Flag on the ground - is it possible the man dropped the flag? Personally, I've never seen anyone standing in a public garden amongst $150,000 worth of newly planted shrubs holding a large American Flag at 1:00 in the morning - have you? If I did see someone doing such a thing - my assumption wouldn't be that he was a patriot - I'd probably think he was very intoxicated or planning to do something he'd later regret.
 
  • #327
JDoolin said:
A sixth fallacy is that "anti-socialist" and "anti-poor" are NOT synonyms. Unless you are actively pursuing or promoting some OTHER reasonable way to support and protect the poor, and bring them up to a level where they have the education and opportunities wealthier people do, then you are supporting an imbalanced field.

Finally, one more fallacy, when you say: "That is the difference between the OWS crowd and poeple who actually defend the freedoms of this counrty. Freedom. The freedom to amass and do whatever you want with your abilities and wealth as well as the freedom to not use abilities to your full potential."

The Occupy Wall Street crowd is not happy with this freedom to "not use abilities to your full potential." We do not WANT to be offered the freedom to NOT use our abilities. We want to work. We want to be productive.

I would almost guarantee that if somebody went out and started handing out jobs to those kids, (especially if they were jobs to help others) they would disperse. But right now, they are using their other freedom you mentioned, "the freedom to amass," in order to make their presence clear.

As per your "sixth fallacy is that "anti-socialist" and "anti-poor" are NOT synonyms" - do you know anyone that wants to be poor? Does it mean they want to be a socialist?

As per your last "fallacy" - they clearly have freedom not to use their abilities and a few people who were interviewed quit their jobs to participate in the "movement". As for equal opportunities for education - do poor kids not receive a free education K-12 along with a free lunch? Do poor kids not receive financial aid and Government backed loans for college? What is your actual complaint about equal access to education?
 
  • #328
I would also argue that anti-socialist (against socialism) and anti-poor (against the poor) are not synonymous since you could be anti-socialist but apathetic about the poor as well. Not saying that anti-socialists are apathetic, just saying they aren't synonymous.
 
  • #329
a few people who were interviewed quit their jobs to participate in the "movement".

Who? Where? Support this.
 
  • #330
ParticleGrl said:
Who? Where? Support this.

Supported - Robert Daros, FL - my bold.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/repo...till-trying-to-figure-out-what-they’re-doing/

"At the top of the park, I found Robert Daros, from Florida, sitting in a chair behind a table with a sign that said, “info.” Originally from Florida, he saw a poster in a café and wanted to participate. So he quit his job and came to the park. He, like everyone else who is taking part in the Occupy Wall Street protests, is still trying to figure out how to successfully organize."

I said a "few" - here's a second - Casey O'Neill, Oakland, CA.
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/27/140854961/wall-street-protest-continues-this-week
"ARUN VENUGOPAL: Until a couple weeks ago, 34-year-old Casey O'Neill worked as a data manager in Oakland, California. Now, he lives in a park next to ground zero.

CASEY O'NEILL: I actually quit my job and got a one-way ticket out here for the protests. I just felt like it was really - in a lot ways, this was the last hope for some sort of real change."
 
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