Odd or Even? -1/x: Origin Symmetric?

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The discussion revolves around the classification of the function -1/x as either odd or even, and its symmetry about the origin. Participants explore the definitions of odd, even, and origin symmetric functions, as well as the implications of these definitions in relation to the function's behavior in different quadrants.

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  • Some participants propose that the function -1/x is odd and origin symmetric, but express uncertainty about the definitions of symmetry.
  • One participant defines an odd function as one where f(-x) = -f(x) and provides a demonstration using the function -1/x.
  • Another participant clarifies that a function is origin symmetric if for every (x, y) on the graph, (-x, -y) is also on the graph, and discusses the implications of this definition.
  • There is a discussion about the proper formulation of the definition of origin symmetry, with some participants arguing that the first formulation is more proper due to the use of quantifiers.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumption that (x, y) must be in the first quadrant, with a participant noting that both x and y could be positive or negative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of odd and even functions, as well as the concept of origin symmetry. However, there is some disagreement regarding the proper formulation of these definitions and the implications of quadrant placement on symmetry.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions and assumptions about symmetry may depend on the context of the quadrants, which remains unresolved in the discussion.

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Is the function -1/x an odd or even function? Is it origin symmetric? For a function to be origin symmetric, must it lie in the 1st and 3rd quadrant or can it lie in the 2nd and 4th quadrant? I suspect it is odd and origin symmetric, but I don't know if I am missing some fine math rule/definition regarding symmetry.
 
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FortranMan said:
Is the function -1/x an odd or even function? Is it origin symmetric? For a function to be origin symmetric, must it lie in the 1st and 3rd quadrant or can it lie in the 2nd and 4th quadrant? I suspect it is odd and origin symmetric, but I don't know if I am missing some fine math rule/definition regarding symmetry.
What are the definitions of odd, even and origin symmetric?
 
It is simply odd ##-\frac{-1}{x}=\frac{1}{x}##.
 
As Perok suggested, this is about knowing the definitions.
A function, f(x), is "even" if f(-x)= f(x) and "odd" if f(-x)= -f(x).
Replacing x with -x in f(x)= -1/x then f(-x)= -1/(-x)= 1/x= -(-1/x)= -f(x).

"Symmetric about the origin" means that if (x, y) is on the graph, so is (-x, -y). With y= -1/x, (x, -1/x) is on the graph and so is (-x, -1/(-x))= (-x, 1/x)= (-x, -(-1/x)).
 
So to answer the question about the symmetry of -1/x, a function is origin symmetric if EITHER

For every (x,y) on graph, so is (-x,-y).
or
For every (-x,y) on graph, so is (x,-y).
 
FortranMan said:
So to answer the question about the symmetry of -1/x, a function is origin symmetric if EITHER

For every (x,y) on graph, so is (-x,-y).
or
For every (-x,y) on graph, so is (x,-y).
Both conditions are identical. The first is the proper way of stating the second.
 
Why is the first way more proper?
 
FortranMan said:
Why is the first way more proper?
When you write "For every (x,y) on graph, so is (-x,-y)", you are invoking a quantifier. In this case it is a Universal quantifier, "for all" (in symbolic form: ##\forall##).

The typical form of a universal quantifier is "for all <variable[s]> [in range], expression". The first occurrences of x and y in the statement are dummy variables. They exist simply to let the reader know which variables are being quantified over. As such, they should be variable names only, not expressions. The subsequent occurrences of x and y within the expression can be used freely.

If you've done computer programming, a lot of concepts carry over into mathematical discourse. A quantifier opens up a scope in which new variables are declared. The variable list in a quantifier amounts to a declaration of variables applicable to the scope. Rather like formal parameters in a called function. The function header has variable names for the formal parameters, not expressions.
 
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FortranMan said:
Why is the first way more proper?
Because both x and y could be positive or negative. You're tacitly assuming that (x, y) is a point in the first quadrant. For example, if x = -3 and y = 2, then (x, y) is a point in the second quadrant.
 
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