ODE Change of Variable: Solving Separable Equations with u = y/x

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving an ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form y' = f(y/x) using a change of variable u = y/x. Participants are exploring the implications of this substitution for rewriting the equation in a separable form.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to apply the chain rule to express y' in terms of u and question the correctness of their manipulations. There is a discussion about whether the resulting equation can indeed be separated. Some participants express confusion about how to achieve separability from the original equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the validity of their approaches. There is a suggestion that the equation xu' + u = f(u) may be separable, indicating a potential direction for further exploration.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the steps taken in their attempts, noting that they are receiving unexpected results when trying to solve the equations. There may be assumptions about the form of f(u) that are not fully clarified.

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Homework Statement



I have the ODE y' = f(\frac{y}{x}), and I want to re-write this as a separable equation using the change of variable u = \frac{y}{x}

The Attempt at a Solution



I use the chain rule to write y&#039; = \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy}{du}\frac{du}{dx}<br /> = \frac{dy}{du}(-\frac{y}{x^2}) = -\frac{dy}{du}\frac{u^2}{y} = f(u)

which is a separable equation. However this seems to be wrong somehow because when I try using it to solve equations of the above form, I'm getting the wrong answer. Any help where I went wrong?
 
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dipole said:

Homework Statement



I have the ODE y&#039; = f(\frac{y}{x}), and I want to re-write this as a separable equation using the change of variable u = \frac{y}{x}

The Attempt at a Solution



I use the chain rule to write y&#039; = \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy}{du}\frac{du}{dx}<br /> = \frac{dy}{du}(-\frac{y}{x^2}) = -\frac{dy}{du}\frac{u^2}{y} = f(u)

which is a separable equation. However this seems to be wrong somehow because when I try using it to solve equations of the above form, I'm getting the wrong answer. Any help where I went wrong?

If u=y/x then y&#039;=x\frac{du}{dx}+u
 
I don't see how I can use that to put the original equation \frac{dy}{dx} = f(\frac{y}{x}) into separable form though. :\
 
Won't you then have the equation:

xu&#039;+u=f(u)

Ain't that separable?
 

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