Ok then since I am wrong then formula for torque is wrong

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnitude of force applied to a uniform disk, which is mounted on a fixed frictionless axis. The problem involves concepts of torque, angular velocity, and rotational dynamics.

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Force F is applied to the rim of a uniform disk (M=3.13kg, R=.193m). The disk is mounted on a fixed frictionless axis through its center, and the force is applied at an angle β=45.8° to the radius. The disk starts at rest, and reaches frequency f = 61.1 revolutions per second after rotating through an angle θ = 609 radians.

What is the magnitude of force F?

Torque = FRsinβ

Torque = I∂

∂ = ωf - ωi / t

ωf = 2∏f = 383.9026 rad/s

ωf = θ/t; 609 rad / 383.9026 rad/s = 1.586, so t = 1.586 s

∂ = 383.9026 / 1.586 = 242.005 rad/s^2

Torque = (1/2)(MR^2)(∂)
Torque = (1/2)(3.13)(.193)^2(242.005) = 14.1076

14.1076 = F(.193)(sin 45.8)
F = 102 N

But 102 N is wrong so I guess Torque really does not = FRsinβ


Can anyone help here...cause I have no clue why or how this could be wrong...
 
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sweetpete28 said:
ωf = 2∏f = 383.9026 rad/s
Good. That's the final angular velocity.
ωf = θ/t; 609 rad / 383.9026 rad/s = 1.586, so t = 1.586 s
Careful. Do not assume that the angular velocity is constant. Redo this. (What's the average angular velocity?)
 
ωf = 2∏f = 383.9026 rad/s

So \omega = 2\pi?
 
tms said:
So \omega = 2\pi?
I think he meant ωf = 2∏f.
 
Thanks Doc Al!

You're right!

ωavg = 0 + 383.9026 / 2 = 191.9513 rad/s so t= 609 rad / 191.9513 rad/s = 3.17267 s and ∂ = 383.9026 / 3.17267 = 121.002 rad/s^2 so...

Torque = (1/2)(3.13)(.193)^2(121.002) = 7.0538

and F = 7.0538 / (.193)(sin 45.8) = 51.0N...right?
 
Looks good!
 

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