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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of squaring negative numbers in mathematics, particularly focusing on the expression \( a^2 \) where \( a = -2 \). Participants explore the implications of using parentheses in mathematical expressions and the order of operations (BODMAS). The scope includes conceptual clarification and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a discrepancy in their calculation of \( 3a^2 \) due to the absence of parentheses, leading to confusion about the correct interpretation of squaring a negative number.
  • Another participant highlights the ambiguity in interpreting \( -2^2 \) without parentheses, suggesting that it could be misread as either multiplication or subtraction.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that squaring a number means multiplying it by itself, and thus \( a^2 \) should be expressed as \( (-2)^2 \) to avoid misinterpretation.
  • One participant introduces a perspective from computer science, discussing the importance of parsing in mathematical expressions and the need for parentheses to maintain clarity when substituting values.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the clarification provided by others, indicating a better understanding of the role of parentheses in mathematical operations.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of parentheses in mathematical expressions, with some arguing for their importance to clarify operations while others question whether they are always needed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interpretations.

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Limitations include the potential ambiguity in mathematical notation and the dependence on the interpretation of operations without explicit parentheses. The discussion does not resolve the broader implications of these interpretations.

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I am trying to imporove my general maths and revisting my pre-college text books. For the above example question, my answer was 4 which is not correct as it is -4. The only difference I can see in my working is the first operation 3a^2. Here I simply did 3 x -2^2 which is -12 but in the answer working in blue font it shows (-2)^2 in brackets. This of course changes the answer due to BODMAS as 3(-2)^2 is 12 as -2 x -2 = 4. But is it correct to simply inser a bracket when the question does not show one?
 
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I see your point is "what is ##a^2## where a=-2".
##a^2##=a x a = -2 x -2 = 4
Here "x-" is ambiguous : multiply or subtract ? So in multiplication we put minus number in bracket.
##a^2##=a x a = -2 x (-2) = 4
 
To phrase it another way, squaring a number means multiplying it by itself. By taking the minus outside the square, you've changed the meaning to "the square of the absolute value of the number, then multiplied by -1 if the original number was negative".

Another way to look at it is that ##a^2=(a)^2##. So therefore the square of ##-2## must be ##(-2)^2##.
 
Coming from a computer science background, I see this in a bit of a different light -- as a question about parsing. In the absence of BODMAS, the grammar of mathematics is ambiguous.

When we make the substitution for "a" with "-2", we are replacing a one character string with a two character string. If we want the new expression to parse the same way as the old expression, we need to arrange for the "-2" to be treated as a single element.

So we parenthesize the "-2". The grammar of mathematics treats parenthesized sub-expressions as separate entities, so our goal is achieved.

But yes, the simple answer is that ##a = (a)## is a valid rule of mathematical expression evaluation.
 
Thank you all very much for your responses. It is now much more clearer and I now understand the treatment of the operation with the parenthesis.
 

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