On the spectral radius of bounded linear operators

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The discussion revolves around the spectral radius of bounded linear operators, specifically in the context of Fredholm integral equations and their convergence properties. Participants explore conditions for convergence of solutions to non-homogeneous integral equations using Picard successive approximations, with a focus on the relationship between the spectral radius and convergence criteria.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the condition for convergence of the non-homogeneous equation, suggesting that convergence occurs if $|\lambda| < 1/\rho(K)$, where $\rho(K)$ is the spectral radius of the operator $K$.
  • Others argue that the equation can be rewritten to show that $\|{\varPsi}_{n}(x)-{\varPsi}(x)\| \leqslant |{\lambda}|^{n}\|K^n\|\|{\varPsi}_{0}(s)-{\varPsi}(s)\|$, leading to a sufficient condition for convergence based on the spectral radius.
  • Some participants express a desire to establish a necessary condition for convergence analogous to matrix theory, where $\lambda\rho(K)<1$ is both necessary and sufficient, contrasting it with the sufficient condition $|\lambda||K||<1$.
  • A later reply questions whether convergence can still occur if $|\lambda| ||K||>1$, given the relationship $\rho(K)\le||K||$.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether a necessary condition for convergence based on the spectral radius exists, with some asserting that only a sufficient condition can be established. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the spectral radius in relation to convergence criteria.

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Participants note that the relationship between the spectral radius and operator norms introduces complexity, particularly in distinguishing between necessary and sufficient conditions for convergence.

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Hi EVERYBODY:

General knowledge: The homogeneous linear Fredholm integral equation

$\mu\ \varPsi(x)=\int_{a}^{b} \,k(x,s) \varPsi(s) ds$ (1)

has a nontrivial solution if and only if $\mu$ is an eigenvalue of the integral operator $K$. By multiplying (1) by $k(x,s)$ and integrating while changing the order of integration one obtains

${\mu}^{2}\varPsi(x)=\int_{a}^{b} \,{[k(x,s)]}^{(2)}\varPsi(s) ds$

where ${[k(x,s)]}^{(2)}=\int_{a}^{b} \,{[k(x,t)]}^{(1)}{[k(t,s)]}^{(1)}dt$ , where ${[k(x,s)]}^{(1)}=k(x,s)$

after $n$ iterations ${\mu}^{n} \varPsi(x)=\int_{a}^{b} \,{[k(x,s)]}^{(n)} \varPsi(s) ds$ (2)

where ${[k(x,s)]}^{(n)}=\int_{a}^{b} \,{[k(x,t)]}^{(1)}{[k(t,s)]}^{(n-1)}dt$

Now my Question:

Solving the non-homogeneous equation

${\varPsi}(x)=f(x)+\lambda\int_{a}^{b} \,k(x,s) {\varPsi}(s) ds$ , (where $\lambda$ is a parameter)

by Picard successive approximations, results in the following equation after $n$ iterations

${\varPsi}_{n+1}(x)=f(x)+\lambda\int_{a}^{b} \,k(x,s) {\varPsi}_{n}(s) ds$

to prove convergence (I can use norms to reach the classical condition $|\lambda|<1/||K||$) however I want to reach a condition based on the spectral radius of the operator $K$ i.e. $\rho(K)$ . So one can show by imitating the above that after $n$ iterations

${\varPsi}_{n}(x)-{\varPsi}(x)={\lambda}^{n}\int_{a}^{b} \,{[k(x,s)]}^{(n)} [{\varPsi}_{0}(s)-{\varPsi}(s)] ds$ (3)

if $|\mu|<1$ then Eq. (2) gives $ \lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}\int_{a}^{b} \,{[k(x,s)]}^{(n)} \varPsi(s) ds=0$ , $\lor x$
can this help me equally in Eq. (3) by saying that convergence occurs if

$|\lambda| < 1/\rho(K)$

grateful
Sarrah
 
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sarrah said:
${\varPsi}_{n}(x)-{\varPsi}(x)={\lambda}^{n}\int_{a}^{b} \,{[k(x,s)]}^{(n)} [{\varPsi}_{0}(s)-{\varPsi}(s)] ds$ (3)

if $|\mu|<1$ then Eq. (2) gives $ \lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}\int_{a}^{b} \,{[k(x,s)]}^{(n)} \varPsi(s) ds=0$ , $\lor x$
can this help me equally in Eq. (3) by saying that convergence occurs if

$|\lambda| < 1/\rho(K)$

grateful
Sarrah
If I understand this correctly, you can write equation (3) as ${\varPsi}_{n}(x)-{\varPsi}(x)={\lambda}^{n}K^n({\varPsi}_{0}(s)-{\varPsi}(s))$. In that case, $$\|{\varPsi}_{n}(x)-{\varPsi}(x)\| \leqslant |{\lambda}|^{n}\|K^n\|\|{\varPsi}_{0}(s)-{\varPsi}(s)\|.\quad(4)$$ But $$\rho(K) = \lim_{n\to\infty}\|K^n\|^{1/n}.$$ If $\rho(K) < 1/|\lambda|$, choose $\nu$ with $\rho(K) < \nu < 1/|\lambda|.$ Then $\|K^n\|^{1/n} < \nu$ for all sufficiently large $n$, so that $\|K^n\| < \nu^n.$ You can then conclude from $(4)$ that convergence occurs in $(3)$, because $\nu|\lambda| < 1$ and so $(\nu|\lambda|)^n \to0$ as $n\to\infty.$
 
Opalg said:
If I understand this correctly, you can write equation (3) as ${\varPsi}_{n}(x)-{\varPsi}(x)={\lambda}^{n}K^n({\varPsi}_{0}(s)-{\varPsi}(s))$. In that case, $$\|{\varPsi}_{n}(x)-{\varPsi}(x)\| \leqslant |{\lambda}|^{n}\|K^n\|\|{\varPsi}_{0}(s)-{\varPsi}(s)\|.\quad(4)$$ But $$\rho(K) = \lim_{n\to\infty}\|K^n\|^{1/n}.$$ If $\rho(K) < 1/|\lambda|$, choose $\nu$ with $\rho(K) < \nu < 1/|\lambda|.$ Then $\|K^n\|^{1/n} < \nu$ for all sufficiently large $n$, so that $\|K^n\| < \nu^n.$ You can then conclude from $(4)$ that convergence occurs in $(3)$, because $\nu|\lambda| < 1$ and so $(\nu|\lambda|)^n \to0$ as $n\to\infty.$

I am most grateful Opalg.

Eq. (3) can -as you did - be written of course as
${\varPsi}_{n}(x)-{\varPsi}(x)={\lambda}^{n}K^n({\varPsi}_{0}(s)-{\varPsi}(s))$
from which Eq. (4) also follows correctly

The problem is - as it seems - from me. What I understood from your proof is that the condition you wrote as $\nu|\lambda| < 1$ is another way of writing a sufficient condition. Because from (4) if $|\lambda ||K||<1$ it follows directly that ${\varPsi}_{n}\implies\varPsi$ in the limit.

my intention was to obtain a necessary condition based on the spectral radius though like we do in matrix theory. if $K$ is a matrix then
${T}^{-1}{K}^{n}T= diag({{\lambda}_{1}}^{n},...,{{\lambda}_{m}}^{n})$ (5)
so $\lambda\rho(K)<1$ becomes both a necessary and sufficient condition whereas $|\lambda|||K||<1$ becomes only a sufficient condition because $\rho(K)\le||K||$. I hope you got me.

So I thought there can be a relation like (5) for integral operators, something similar instead of $$\rho(K) = \lim_{n\to\infty}\|K^n\|^{1/n}.$$ If or $\rho(K)\le||K||$

still very grateful
Sarrah
 
sarrah said:
I am most grateful Opalg.

Eq. (3) can -as you did - be written of course as
${\varPsi}_{n}(x)-{\varPsi}(x)={\lambda}^{n}K^n({\varPsi}_{0}(s)-{\varPsi}(s))$
from which Eq. (4) also follows correctly

The problem is - as it seems - from me. What I understood from your proof is that the condition you wrote as $\nu|\lambda| < 1$ is another way of writing a sufficient condition. Because from (4) if $|\lambda ||K||<1$ it follows directly that ${\varPsi}_{n}\implies\varPsi$ in the limit.

my intention was to obtain a necessary condition based on the spectral radius though like we do in matrix theory. if $K$ is a matrix then
${T}^{-1}{K}^{n}T= diag({{\lambda}_{1}}^{n},...,{{\lambda}_{m}}^{n})$ (5)
so $\lambda\rho(K)<1$ becomes both a necessary and sufficient condition whereas $|\lambda|||K||<1$ becomes only a sufficient condition because $\rho(K)\le||K||$. I hope you got me.

So I thought there can be a relation like (5) for integral operators, something similar instead of $$\rho(K) = \lim_{n\to\infty}\|K^n\|^{1/n}.$$ If or $\rho(K)\le||K||$

still very grateful
Sarrah

Hi Oplag
Upon reading your post again, and your easy and sound proof, it seems to me there is no such necessary condition, only a sufficient one. Perhaps I didn't express myself well. I meant convergence is guaranteed if $|\lambda|\rho(K)<1$ ok, which is tight but could it be that $|\lambda| ||K||>1$ and convergence still exists ? based on the former condition spectral radius as $\rho(K)\le||K||$
many thanks
Sarrah
 

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