On titles of publications in earlier times

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The discussion revolves around the use of the word "on" in the titles of ancient publications, exploring its significance and the reasons behind its prevalence. Participants examine the implications of this linguistic choice in historical and modern contexts, touching on aspects of academic writing, publication standards, and the evolution of language in scholarly communication.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why ancient publications frequently began with "on," suggesting it may not have been seen as redundant.
  • One participant argues that including "on" indicates a partial discussion of a theory rather than a complete exposition.
  • Another participant notes that the structure of titles has evolved, with modern editors preferring brevity and clarity in titles.
  • A participant speculates that the tradition of starting titles with "on" may stem from Latin usage, where "de" was commonly used, and that this has persisted due to linguistic inertia.
  • Several participants share personal experiences of publishing papers with titles starting with "on," indicating that this practice is still present, albeit less common.
  • There is a discussion about the changing expectations of title length and content in the digital age, with some suggesting that modern readers have less time to engage with full papers.
  • One participant humorously suggests a title change for the thread itself, reflecting the ongoing engagement with the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the significance and appropriateness of using "on" in publication titles, with no clear consensus on its necessity or relevance in modern academic writing.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions highlight the historical context of language use in publications and the evolution of academic writing standards, but these points remain speculative and are not universally accepted.

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Why did ancient publications so often start with 'on'? E.g. on the theory of... Why didn't they regard 'on' as redundant if all publications started with the same word, like emails starting with 'about' or 'on'?
 
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feynman1 said:
Why did ancient publications so often start with 'on'? E.g. on the theory of... Why didn't they regard 'on' as redundant if all publications started with the same word, like emails starting with 'about' or 'on'?
Without "on" it would mean the entire theory. With "on" it's only a part of it. This makes a huge difference.
 
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On the subject of on-going discussion, as the subject is expanded and the implications are investigated, the field gradually becomes better defined and internally consistent.

Regarding emails, the title of continuations begin with Re: ...
A new thread on a new subject does not begin with Re:
 
It is still used but perhaps not in the titles of science papers.
Have you never used the phrase "While we are on the subject of..."? Or perhaps "while we are on the topic"?
It is (presumably?) using the same structure.

I did actually try to write a paper that had a title that started with "on the" a few years ago (not to be funny, but because I thought it would be appropriate considering the content), but the editor changed the title:frown:..
 
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It is still used but perhaps not in the titles of science papers.
Have you never used the phrase "While we are on the subject of..."? Or perhaps "while we are on the topic"?
It is (presumably?) using the same structure.

I did actually try to write a paper that had a title that started with "on the" a few years ago (not to be funny, but because I thought it would be appropriate considering the content), but the editor changed the title:frown:..
That's interesting. What was the editor's reason?
 
I actually published a paper (in a peer reviewed journal) with a title that began “on the …”. In hindsight I don’t particularly like the title, but I was still in grad school when I wrote it so hopefully it can be forgiven.

I hope this doesn’t mean I’m ancient. 😯
 
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Freely speculating here. What could have happened was that back in the day publications were written in Latin. They'd often start with 'de' (i.e. 'about', 'on', etc.), as in De revolutionibus orbium caelestium, De motu corporum (in Principia). Possibly not as much because it's linguistically necessary to frame this kind of a sentence that way, and more because that's the standard structure that was taught in academia (it being a dead language for a long time now).
When translated into English, the form 'on' has a bit more dignified register than something like 'about', so it'd be preferred.
As Latin ceased to be the lingua franca of the scientific community, people still carried on with the 'on', by linguistic inertia. I.e. if you were writing a paper, you'd use sentence structures that were traditionally associated with the scientific context.
But the further away from the Latin roots, the more archaic and pompous it sounds, so there's little love left for the 'ons' in the eye of a modern editor.

That's the story I came up with o0)
 
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Coincidentally,. this paper appeared in my feed this morning

On the static effective Hamiltonian of a rapidly driven nonlinear system​


https://arxiv.org/abs/2108.02861
Which I guess shows that it is indeed still used
 
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jasonRF said:
I actually published a paper (in a peer reviewed journal) with a title that began “on the …”.
Me too, twice.
 
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The best boiler-plate lead-in for any paper, ever, has got to be:

Harry Potter and the ... static effective Hamiltonian of a rapidly driven nonlinear system
 
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f95toli said:
Coincidentally,. this paper appeared in my feed this morning

On the static effective Hamiltonian of a rapidly driven nonlinear system​


https://arxiv.org/abs/2108.02861
Which I guess shows that it is indeed still used
It's not yet accepted in a peer-reviewed journal. Its title will change then.
 
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feynman1 said:
That's interesting. What was the editor's reason?
Modern style. In ancient times, people had time to read papers. Now they only have time to read titles :frown: So the result must be in the title.
 
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atyy said:
Modern style. In ancient times, people had time to read papers. Now they only have time to read titles :frown: So the result must be in the title.
Are titles allowed to be longer in the digital age?
 
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Could we change the title of this thread to "On Ancient publications starting with 'On'"?
 
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George Jones said:
Could we change the title of this thread to "On Ancient publications starting with 'On'"?
+1 please
 
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George Jones said:
Could we change the title of this thread to "On Ancient publications starting with 'On'"?

DaveC426913 said:
+1 please
Done. :cool:
 
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