On transition functions of fiber bundle

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The discussion revolves around the concept of transition functions in the context of fiber bundles, specifically focusing on the transition function g_{\alpha \beta} and its relationship to the construction of the fiber bundle E. Participants explore the definitions and implications of equivalence relations in the construction process, as well as the role of local trivialisations.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about why g_{\alpha \beta} is considered the transition function for the fiber bundle E.
  • Another participant explains that the bundle projection pr:E-->B sends [x,y] to x and discusses the local trivialisations over the family {U_\alpha}.
  • A participant questions the connection between the construction of E and the transition function g_{\alpha \beta}, seeking clarification on the equivalence relation that leads to this identification.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the construction of E through quotienting a disjoint union and how equivalence classes are formed, emphasizing the role of homeomorphisms in gluing trivial bundles.
  • An example of the Mobius bundle is introduced to illustrate the concept of twisting in bundles and how transition functions arise from the gluing process.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the clarification and indicates improved understanding of the topic.

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Participants demonstrate a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the relationship between the construction of the fiber bundle and the transition function. While some explanations are provided, no consensus is reached on the initial confusion expressed by the first participant.

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The discussion highlights the technicalities involved in defining fiber bundles and transition functions, including the importance of equivalence relations and local trivialisations. Some assumptions about the definitions and properties of the involved structures remain implicit and are not fully resolved.

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I don't understand why the constructed fiber bundle E have g_{\alpha \beta} as its transition function.

The problem is in the pdf file,thank you!
 

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It's almost a tautology once you know the little bit of implied information lying behind that statement. Because so far you have defined E. But what about the bundle projection pr:E-->B? Well, it's the natural choice: send [x,y] to x. So now, why is this an F-bundle with structure group G? Well, because pr:E-->B admits local trivialisations over the family {U_\alpha}. Indeed, pr-1(U_\alpha) is homeomorphic to U_\alpha x F via [x,y]-->(x,y). And for U_\beta another guy in that family, what is the transition function U_{\alpha}\cap U_{\beta} \times F \rightarrow U_{\alpha}\cap U_{\beta} \times F? Indeed, it is just (x,y)-->(x,g_{\alpha \beta}y)!
 
Thank you quasar,but I'm sorry I still can't understand the connection between the way we construct E and the transition functiong_{\alpha \beta}.In E, (x,y) is equivalent to (x,g_{\alpha \beta} by definition.But how does this equivalent relation induce that g_{\alpha \beta} is the transition function?Why there is an equivalent relation?

In order to prove g_{\alpha \beta} is the transition function,we need to find fiber-preserving homeomorphisms \psi_\alpha and \psi_\beta for g_{\alpha \beta}(x)=\psi_\alpha \psi_\beta^{-1}

Thank you very much!
 
kakarotyjn said:
Thank you quasar,but I'm sorry I still can't understand the connection between the way we construct E and the transition functiong_{\alpha \beta}.In E, (x,y) is equivalent to (x,g_{\alpha \beta} by definition.But how does this equivalent relation induce that g_{\alpha \beta} is the transition function?Why there is an equivalent relation?

In order to prove g_{\alpha \beta} is the transition function,we need to find fiber-preserving homeomorphisms \psi_\alpha and \psi_\beta for g_{\alpha \beta}(x)=\psi_\alpha \psi_\beta^{-1}

Thank you very much!

Mmh, maybe your problem stems from the technicalities of the definition. Because strictly speaking it is not true that in E, (x,y) is equivalent to (x,g_{\alpha \beta}y). Because E is obtained by quotienting a disjoint union over the index alpha. This means that the elements of E are actually equivalences classes of elements of the form ((x,\alpha),y) where ((x',\beta),y') is identified to ((x,\alpha),y) iff x'=x and y'=g_{\alpha \beta}y.

So what we're doing here is we're constructing E by taking a covering {U_\alpha} of the base B and considering the trivial bundles U_{\alpha}\times F over each U_\alpha. Then we glue all of these trivial bundles along fibers over the points where they "intersect" (i.e. over the intersections U_{\alpha}\cap U_{\beta}) by using homeomorphisms coming from the action G\rightarrow \mathrm{Homeo}(F) of the group G on F. This induces a potential "twisting" in the bundle.

For instance, the Mobius bundle can be constructed in this way using G=Z/2Z-->{±IdR} and a covering of S1 of only two open sets {U1,U2}. Then the intersection of U1 and U2 has two connected components. On the first, glue along the fibers following IdR, and on the second, glue along the fibers following -IdR.

With that, define now a projection map pr:E-->B that sends [((x,\alpha),y)] to x. This is obviously independent of the class so it is well defined. Now E is a fiber bundle because it is trivializable over the U_\alpha's by the map \Phi_{\alpha}:pr^{-1}(U_{\alpha})\rightarrow U_{\alpha}\times F that says "for a class in pr^{-1}(U_{\alpha}), pick the representative that belongs to U_{\alpha}\times F, say ((x,\alpha),y), and send it to (x,y)". Now suppose \beta is another index. How does \Phi_{\beta}:pr^{-1}(U_{\beta})\rightarrow U_{\beta}\times F acts on the same element [((x,\alpha),y)] of E? Well, it says "pick the representative that belongs to U_{\beta}\times F... well that's ((x,\beta),g_{\alpha\beta}y) by definition of the equivalence relation! So send it to (x,g_{\alpha\beta}y)."

So you see, the transition function associated with the trivialisations \Phi_{\alpha} and \Phi_{\beta} is g_{\alpha\beta}, in the sense that \Phi_{\beta}\circ\Phi_{\alpha}^{-1}(x,y)=(x,g_{\alpha\beta}y).
 
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Thank you very much again quasar!Now I really understand it,haha:smile:
 

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