Once more with feeling another ideal gas question.

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The discussion revolves around an ideal gas problem involving a sealed can's pressure change when subjected to a temperature increase from -23°C to 27°C. Participants are exploring the relationship between pressure and temperature in the context of gas laws.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to apply the ideal gas law to determine the pressure change, questioning the calculations and the relationship between pressure and temperature. Some express confusion about the direction of the pressure change based on temperature increase.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made regarding the initial and final temperatures of the gas. Some participants have offered guidance on using the ideal gas law relationship, while others are reflecting on potential mistakes in calculations and interpretations.

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Participants note the need for clarity on the final temperature of the gas in the can, as well as the implications of the pressure values derived from their calculations.

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[SOLVED] once more with feeling! another ideal gas question.

the pressure inside a sealed can which is kept in a deep freeze at -23C is 0.8x10^5 N/m^2. If the can is placed in water of temperature 27C:

calculate the increase in pressure inside the can.

initially, pressure/temperature = 0.8x10^5 / 273-23
=320
afterwards, pressure 2 divided by (273+27) must equal 320 also. this gives pressure 2 as 96000Pa
increase in pressure = 0.8x10^5 - 96000
= -16000
but if the temperature increases, surely the pressure has to increase? since they are directly proportional??
or have i taken them away the wrong way round?
 
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The pressure HAS increased. 96,000 is larger than 80,000 after all.
 
I think you need much more information to solve this. We have to find the finla temperature of the air in the can to solve the following.
 
Galileo said:
The pressure HAS increased. 96,000 is larger than 80,000 after all.

so i guess i was taking them away the wrong way around. man I'm stupid.
 
Or I think it has to be assumed that the temperature of the system becomes 300K when put in water nadwas 250K initially. Now use the same relation as you said - P1/T1 = P2/T2.
You have mistook the sign I would say. You made a silly mistake. Your problem solving is okay.
 
vaishakh said:
Or I think it has to be assumed that the temperature of the system becomes 300K when put in water nadwas 250K initially. Now use the same relation as you said - P1/T1 = P2/T2.
You have mistook the sign I would say. You made a silly mistake. Your problem solving is okay.

yeah that was the equation i was used, just in some weird convoluted form
 

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