One-dimensional motion with w/ aceleration dependant on speed.

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The discussion centers on solving a physics problem involving one-dimensional motion of a marble in a fluid, where the acceleration is defined as a=-3.00v². The initial speed of the marble is 1.50 m/s, and the goal is to determine the time required for the marble's speed to reduce to 0.75 m/s. The correct approach involves solving the differential equation dv/dt=-3.00v², leading to the conclusion that the time taken is 0.222 seconds, aligning with the textbook answer. The participants emphasize the importance of recognizing non-constant acceleration and the application of differential equations in such scenarios.

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Homework Statement


The accelration of a marble in a certain fluid is proportional to the speed of the marble squared and given (in SI units) by a=-3.00v2 for v>0. If the marble enters this fluid with a speed of 1.50 m/s, how long will it take before the marble's speed is reduced to half of its initial value?


Homework Equations



vf=vi+at

Average of f(x)=integral of f(x) with respect to x from a to b, divided by b-a.

The Attempt at a Solution



*Everything is in meters and seconds*. As this problem is very straightforward except for the acceleration, I began with using the kinematic equation above that involves vf, vi, a, and t. Since the acceleration varies with respect to speed, I figured that I would need the average acceleration. Integrating -3.00v2 from 1.5 (vi) to 0.75 (vf; half of vi) I got 2.953125. Then, dividing this by -0.75 (0.75-1.5) I got -3.9375, which should be the average acceleration. Going back to the kinematic equation, solving for t yields t=(vf-vi)/a, where I have the following values:
vf= 0.75
vi= 1.5
a=-3.9375 (average acceleration, calculated above).

Using these values I get a time of t=0.190 seconds. The answer in the book is 0.222 seconds. At this point I've gone over the problem multiple times and I can't see what I'm doing wrong. However, this is my first time doing physics in a long while, and my method is of my own creation, not from the book or anything, so I could be off the ball on that. By working backwards I can see that the average acceleration should be -3.375. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you.
 
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It goes wrong, because you're using equations that are valid for constant acceleration, which is not the case here.

You have been given a relation between a and v^2. Remember that a=dv/dt, can you solve the differential equation dv/dt=-3.00v^2?
 
Thanks for the help Cyosis.

You got me reviewing differential equations sooner that I figured :P. I got the right answer, but I am showing how I solved it in case others want to look at this example. (As an aside, could you explain to me how you know when to resort to differential equations? Is it just because all they gave essentially was a non-constant acceleration, and we had to work backwards from that?)

Ok, dv/dt=a=-3.00v2

dv/(-3v2)=dt (separation of variables)

1/(3v)=t+C (integrate with respect to t)

solving for v gives v=1/[3(t+C)]

v(0)=1.5=1/(3C) (initial conditions)

solving for C gives C=1/4.5 or 0.222

now we have v(t)=1/[3(t+0.222)]

solving for t gives t=1/(3v)-0.222

The question asks for the time when v=0.5vi, or 0.5*1.5. So, using v=0.75 gives t=0.222s.

Thanks Cyosis!
 
You're welcome.

It's not so much of when to resort to using differential equations, but more of a lot of equations in physics actually being differential equations. For example F=ma, I am sure you know that equation but a=dv/dt and v=dx/dt so we can write F=ma as a first order differential equation with respect to v F=m \frac{dv}{dt} or a second order differential equation in x, F=m \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}. In fact all equations of motion are differential equations.

Lets do an example quickly, calculating the equation of motion for a falling particle. The force is mg so we have mg=m \frac{dv}{dt}, integrating on both sides yields v=gt+c, c being the velocity at t=0.
 

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