One-dimensional Schrodinger Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around solving the one-dimensional Schrödinger's Equation, specifically in the context of obtaining the wave function, ψ(x), given a known value for -(\frac{2 \pi}{\lambda})^2. Participants explore various approaches to the equation and the implications of different assumptions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that setting -(\frac{2 \pi}{\lambda})^2 = 2 leads to an exponential function, while another argues that a periodic wave function is desired, proposing a complex solution instead.
  • Another participant recommends defining -(\frac{2 \pi}{\lambda})^2 as a constant, -k^2, to simplify the differential equation to ψ'' + k^2ψ = 0.
  • Some participants note that the substitution of k = \frac{2\pi}{\lambda} is valid and relevant for solving the differential equation.
  • There is a discussion about the form of the solution, with one participant presenting a complex exponential form and another suggesting a sine-cosine representation.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of various proposed solutions and the implications of boundary conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific form of the solution or the implications of different assumptions. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the wave function and the appropriate approach to solving the equation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the choice of constants and the implications of boundary conditions on the solutions presented. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical techniques involved.

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one-dimensional Schrödinger's Equation

Hi !
I wonder how to solve one-dimensional Schrödinger's Equation :

\frac{d^2 \psi (x)}{dx^2}\ = \ -(\frac{2 \pi}{\lambda})^2 \ * \ \psi (x)

I've to obtain \psi (x) , when
-(\frac{2 \pi}{\lambda})^2 is known
Can you solve it as an example, when -(\frac{2 \pi}{\lambda})^2 = 2 ? Please...
 
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Based on my rather basic knowledge, making
<br /> - \left( \frac{2 \pi}{ \lambda} \right)^2 = 2<br />
would make the psi function an exponential function rather than having the wave characteristics you want.The solution would be:
<br /> \psi(x) = e^{ \sqrt{2} x } . <br />
But you want a periodic wave function. By taking
<br /> \frac{2 \pi}{\lambda} = \sqrt{2} <br />
(i.e. without the minus sign), the solution would be a wave equation and complex:
<br /> \psi(x) = e^{ \sqrt{2} i x } .<br />
 
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Megus said:
Hi !
I wonder how to solve one-dimensional Schrödinger's Equation :

\frac{d^2 \psi (x)}{dx^2}\ = \ -(\frac{2 \pi}{\lambda})^2 \ * \ \psi (x)

I've to obtain \psi (x) , when
-(\frac{2 \pi}{\lambda})^2 is known
Can you solve it as an example, when -(\frac{2 \pi}{\lambda})^2 = 2 ? Please...

You shouldn't commit to a specific value of -(&pi;/&lambda;)2. Just define it to be a literal constant, say, -k2. Then your differential equation is:

&psi;"+k2&psi;=0

Surely you have the solution of that one somewhere!
 
speeding electron said:
Based on my rather basic knowledge, making
<br /> - \left( \frac{2 \pi}{ \lambda} \right)^2 = 2<br />
would make the psi function an exponential function rather than having the wave characteristics you want.The solution would be:
<br /> \psi(x) = e^{ \sqrt{2} x } . <br />

No, an exponential function arises when the first derivative is negatively proportional to the wavefunction itself. The problem here involves the second derivative.

But you want a periodic wave function. By taking

The solution to his equation is indeed sinusoidal, but let's let him work it out. :wink:
 
In fact $\frac{{2\pi }}<br /> {\lambda } = k$<br /> when k is the wavenumber, so the k^2 substution can be made even without the knowledge of how it helps solve the DE.
 
heardie said:
In fact $\frac{{2\pi }}<br /> {\lambda } = k$<br /> when k is the wavenumber, so the k^2 substution can be made even without the knowledge of how it helps solve the DE.

Yes, my choice in symbols was not accidental. :wink:
 
Is it the correct answer ?:
\psi (x) = e^{ikx + \varphi_R + i \varphi_I} = e^{\varphi_R} \cdot e^{i(kx + \varphi_I)} = A(\cos (kx + \varphi_I) + i \sin (kx + \varphi_I))
 
Megus said:
Is it the correct answer ?:
\psi (x) = e^{ikx + \varphi_R + i \varphi_I} = e^{\varphi_R} \cdot e^{i(kx + \varphi_I)} = A(\cos (kx + \varphi_I) + i \sin (kx + \varphi_I))

Yes, though you might find it more convenient to replace the constants A and &phi;I with A and B as follows:

&psi;(x)=Acos(kx)+Bsin(kx),

and applying the boundary conditions from there.
 
Ok - thanks :biggrin:
 

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