Oort Cloud and Kuiper Belt: differences

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between the Oort Cloud and the Kuiper Belt, focusing on their formation, structure, and implications for future exploration. Participants explore theoretical and observational aspects of these regions in the solar system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the formation of solar systems leads to material lying in a plane due to stability and collisions, questioning if this notion is overly simplistic.
  • Another participant notes the existence of a planar inner Oort Cloud and a spherical outer Oort Cloud, emphasizing that the Oort Cloud is theoretical while the Kuiper Belt is real and has identified members.
  • A participant reflects on the mechanics of large orbits that allow objects to exist in non-planetary orbits, linking this to the potential for future expeditions to the Kuiper and Oort regions.
  • There is a mention of the potential for colonization and the implications of living in zero gravity, with a participant expressing a personal view on the dreariness of such a future.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the Oort Cloud and its theoretical status compared to the Kuiper Belt. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differences for future exploration and colonization.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the mechanics of orbits and the time scales involved in the formation and stability of the Oort Cloud and Kuiper Belt, which are not fully explored or resolved.

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When I read about formation of solar systems it seems reasonable to me that most of the material would end up lying in a plane because the number of collisions and interactions would be least and the most stable situation in a common orbital plane in the long run. (Is this a far too simplistic notion?) The axis of this plane would, presumably be the axis of the net angular momentum vector of the original nebula from which the system was formed as any orbits away from that plane would have net zero angular momentum.

The Kuiper Belt seems to be part of this plane but the Oort Cloud seems to be more spherical. Why would this be? Is the Oort Cloud so far away and such low density that this sorting out mechanism would take much longer than 4 billion years, which was enough to give us our familiar solar system layout? The Oort Cloud is at least one hundred times further out than the Kuiper Belt so settling down time could be much longer as things must have very low orbital speeds out there.
 
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Baluncore said:
The Oort clouds are "theoretical".
Right. Thanks - so the "theory" must imply something about the mechanics of very large orbits which allows objects to 'stay' or 'arrive' in non planet-style orbits. Sounds reasonable and not unlike the picture that arrived in my brain.

It seems like the Kuiper and Oort objects would have many of the materials that we could find use for in future big expeditions. Not quite such ridiculous timescales needed to get there as stellar trips. The only thing missing would appear to be useful amounts of sunlight but in the future, it may not be as important to humans.

And that suggests that realistic ideas about colonisation could well involve the race changing to zero g tolerance. Sounds a bit dreary to me but how our descendants might feel about it could be very different. B ut I digress - returning to the thread . . . .
 
sophiecentaur said:
... changing to zero g tolerance. Sounds a bit dreary to me but how our descendants ...
With zero g, there is no up nor down, so no descendants.
 
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