Operators on infinite-dimensional Hilbert space

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The discussion revolves around the properties of two operators, ##R## and ##L##, defined on a countably-infinite dimensional Hilbert space ##H## with an orthonormal basis. Participants explore the existence of eigenvalues and eigenvectors for these operators, as well as their hermitian conjugates, within the context of quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that ##R## cannot have an eigenvector due to the implications of the well-ordering of ##\mathbb{N}##, leading to a contradiction.
  • Another participant proposes a method to find eigenvectors for ##L##, suggesting that the eigenvalues are related to the condition ##|\lambda| < 1## for convergence of the series.
  • A different participant discusses the completeness of the basis and expresses that ##L## can be expressed as the hermitian conjugate of ##R##, leading to the conclusion that they satisfy the commutation relation ##[A, A^{\dagger}] = 1##.
  • Further elaboration indicates that the eigenstates of ##A^{\dagger}## cannot be renormalized, while for ##A##, the eigenstates can be expressed in terms of a series involving ##\alpha##.
  • It is noted that the sums do not converge for values of ##|\alpha| \ge 1##, indicating a limitation on the eigenstates for those values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of eigenvectors for the operators ##R## and ##L##, with some asserting that ##R## cannot have eigenvectors while others provide conditions under which ##L## has eigenvectors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complete characterization of the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of both operators.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the convergence of series for eigenstates and the implications of the well-ordering principle in the context of eigenvectors for the operator ##R##.

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Hello all!

I have the following question with regards to quantum mechanics.

If ##H## is a Hilbert space with a countably-infinite orthonormal basis ##\{ \left | n \right \rangle \}_{n \ \in \ \mathbb{N} }##, and two operators ##R## and ##L## on ##H## are defined by their action on the basis elements as follows:

##
\begin{eqnarray}
R \left | n \right \rangle & = & \left | n + 1\right \rangle ,\\
L \left | n \right \rangle & = & \left\{
\begin{array}{11}
\left | n - 1 \right \rangle & \text{for n > 1} \\
0 & \text{for n = 1}.
\end{array} \right.
\end{eqnarray}
##

What are the the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of ##R## and ##L##, if they do exist? Also, what are the hermitian conjugates of ##R## and ##L##?

Thanks in advance!
 
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##R## can't have an eigenvector, because if it had an eigenvector ##\left|\psi\right>##, then there would be a smallest ##n_0## such that ##\left<n_0|\psi\right>\neq 0## (well ordering of ##\mathbb N##), but ##\left<n_0|R|\psi\right> = 0##.

For the eigenvectors of ##L##, you need to solve ##\lambda \sum_n a_n \left|n\right> = L\sum_n a_n \left|n\right> = \sum_n a_n \left|n-1\right>##, so you get ##\lambda a_n = a_{n+1}##. For ##a_0 := c##, you get ##a_n = \lambda^n c##. The sum will converge for ##|\lambda|\lt 1## (geometric series) and you get an eigenvector for each such ##\lambda##.
 
linbrits said:
Hello all!

I have the following question with regards to quantum mechanics.

If ##H## is a Hilbert space with a countably-infinite orthonormal basis ##\{ \left | n \right \rangle \}_{n \ \in \ \mathbb{N} }##, and two operators ##R## and ##L## on ##H## are defined by their action on the basis elements as follows:

##
\begin{eqnarray}
R \left | n \right \rangle & = & \left | n + 1\right \rangle ,\\
L \left | n \right \rangle & = & \left\{
\begin{array}{11}
\left | n - 1 \right \rangle & \text{for n > 1} \\
0 & \text{for n = 1}.
\end{array} \right.
\end{eqnarray}
##

What are the the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of ##R## and ##L##, if they do exist? Also, what are the hermitian conjugates of ##R## and ##L##?

Thanks in advance!

Since the set \{ | n \rangle \} is complete, you can write
R = \sum_{ n = 0 } | n + 1 \rangle \langle n | , \ \ \ \ \ (1)
L = \sum_{ n = 1 } | n - 1 \rangle \langle n | = R^{ \dagger } . \ \ \ \ (2)
So, you can set L = A and R = A^{ \dagger }. From (1) and (2), you can show [ A , A^{ \dagger } ] = 1.
Now, suppose that for some \alpha \in \mathbb{ C }, we have
A^{ \dagger } | \alpha \rangle = \alpha | \alpha \rangle . \ \ \ \ \ \ (3)
Write
| \alpha \rangle = c_{ 0 } | 0 \rangle + c_{ 1 } | 1 \rangle + c_{ 2 } | 2 \rangle + \cdots .
Substitute this expansion in (3) and equate coefficients, you find that c_{ n } = 0 for all n. So, A^{ \dagger } cannot have renormalized eigen-states. If you do the same with A, you find c_{ n } = \alpha^{ n } c_{ 0 } so that the renormalized eigen-states of A = L, for any \alpha \in \mathbb{ C }, are given by
| \alpha \rangle = \frac{ 1 }{ \sqrt{ \sum_{ n } | \alpha |^{ 2 n } } } \sum_{ n } \alpha^{ n } | n \rangle \sim \frac{ 1 }{ \sqrt{ \sum_{ n } | \alpha |^{ 2 n } } } \sum_{ n } ( \alpha A^{ \dagger } )^{ n } | 0 \rangle .
 
samalkhaiat said:
If you do the same with A, you find c_{ n } = \alpha^{ n } c_{ 0 } so that the renormalized eigen-states of A = L, for any \alpha \in \mathbb{ C }, are given by
| \alpha \rangle = \frac{ 1 }{ \sqrt{ \sum_{ n } | \alpha |^{ 2 n } } } \sum_{ n } \alpha^{ n } | n \rangle \sim \frac{ 1 }{ \sqrt{ \sum_{ n } | \alpha |^{ 2 n } } } \sum_{ n } ( \alpha A^{ \dagger } )^{ n } | 0 \rangle .
The sums don't converge for ##|\alpha|\ge 1##, so you don't get eigenstates for these values of ##\alpha##.
 

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