Optics: refractive index and dielectric constant

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the relationship between the refractive index and dielectric constant of water, specifically addressing the discrepancy between theoretical calculations and experimental measurements. The refractive index 'n' is defined as n=sqrt(epsilon*mu), where 'epsilon' is the dielectric constant and 'mu' is the relative permeability. For water, while the dielectric constant is approximately 80 at static conditions, it significantly decreases to around 1.78 at optical frequencies, leading to a measured refractive index of about 1.33 at room temperature. This highlights the importance of frequency dependence in dielectric properties.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of refractive index and its calculation
  • Knowledge of dielectric constant and relative permittivity
  • Familiarity with optical frequencies and their impact on material properties
  • Basic concepts of permeability in materials
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the frequency dependence of dielectric constants in various materials
  • Study the optical properties of water and other liquids at different wavelengths
  • Learn about the refractive index of gases like SF6 at standard temperature and pressure
  • Explore references for dielectric constants of silica (SiO2) in the visible spectrum
USEFUL FOR

Students and professionals in optics, materials science, and physics, particularly those interested in the properties of water and other materials in optical applications.

ivas
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
Dear all,
i am a bit confused with a very simple equation connecting refractive index of water and its dielectric constant for visible range of wavelengths and room temperature.

i hope, You can help me

as we know, the refractive index 'n' can be defined as

n=sqrt(epsilon*mu), (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractive_index)

where 'epsilon' is material's dielectric constant (or material's relative permittivity) and 'mu' is its relative permeability.

for water we have:
mu is almost 1, epsilon=80 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_constant)

it means that (using the equation above) the refractive index of water is n=sqrt(80)=8.94, but the measured refractive index of water at room temperature is about 1.33 (http://www.ps.missouri.edu/rickspage/refract/refraction.html, http://www.cargille.com/certwater.shtml) .

Thus, refractive index computed from the equation is not the same and not near to its experimental quantity.

Where is my fault?
Thanks
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
The dielectric constant depends strongly on the frequency of the applied field. While the dielectric constant of water is 80 for a static field, it is much lower for optical frequencies (around 1.78, according to one reference I found).
 
Doc Al said:
The dielectric constant depends strongly on the frequency of the applied field. While the dielectric constant of water is 80 for a static field, it is much lower for optical frequencies (around 1.78, according to one reference I found).

Thanks,
i agree, :rolleyes:
 
For crystals, the dielectric constant does generally not change too much with measurement frequency (if temperatrue is not high), and thus the equation still gets along with the low frequency values of permittivity. But for liquids, molecular movements (or dipole reorientation) have a dominant (say to be excess) contribution to static permittivity. In this case, only the high frequency value of permittivity follows the equation.
 
Last edited:
Doc Al said:
The dielectric constant depends strongly on the frequency of the applied field. While the dielectric constant of water is 80 for a static field, it is much lower for optical frequencies (around 1.78, according to one reference I found).

I was wondering if you could give me a link to that reference.

I am also looking for values for the dielectric constant for water and silica (SiO2) in the visible. Any suggestions where I could find them?

Lastly, a little aside...I am also struggling to find the refractive index of SF6 gas at std T and P, or at RT (~20C-30C), any suggestions?

Thank you in advance
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
20K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
21K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
9K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K