Changing electric field and refractive index

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the refractive index, dielectric constant, and electric field strength in the context of sky wave propagation and plasma physics. Participants explore the derivation and implications of a specific expression for the refractive index, questioning its connection to the Kerr opto-electric effect and its application to the ionosphere.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the meaning and derivation of the expression for the refractive index, suggesting a possible connection to the Kerr opto-electric effect.
  • Another participant identifies ##\mu## as the refractive index.
  • Some participants assert that the expression represents the refractive index for plasma, specifically in the context of the ionosphere, and relate it to the plasma frequency.
  • There is mention of the Drude model as a basis for deriving the refractive index of plasma, with emphasis on the motion of free electrons under an electric field.
  • A participant suggests starting the derivation by solving the equation of motion for a free electron influenced by an incident plane wave to find the dielectric function and refractive index.
  • Another participant discusses the inclusion of damping forces in the motion of electrons when subjected to an electric field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the expression pertains to the refractive index of plasma and is derived from the Drude model. However, there is no consensus on the connection to the Kerr opto-electric effect, and the discussion includes various approaches to the derivation, indicating differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of electrons in electric fields and the applicability of the Drude model, which may not be universally accepted or applicable in all contexts.

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I am learning sky wave propagation and in my book, a relation between refractive index, dielectric constant and electro field strength is given.
[tex]\mu=\mu_0\sqrt{1-\frac{Ne^2}{\epsilon_0m\omega^2}}[/tex]
Is this a form of Kerr opto-electric effect? How do you get this expression? If you think I cannot understand the derivation, can you explain its meaning?
 
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What is ## \mu ## in that expression?
 
Refractive index
 
AdityaDev said:
I am learning sky wave propagation and in my book, a relation between refractive index, dielectric constant and electro field strength is given.
[tex]\mu=\mu_0\sqrt{1-\frac{Ne^2}{\epsilon_0m\omega^2}}[/tex]
Is this a form of Kerr opto-electric effect? How do you get this expression? If you think I cannot understand the derivation, can you explain its meaning?
That looks like the refractive index for a plasma, where the plasma frequency is given by ##\omega_p^2=\frac{Ne^2}{\epsilon_0 m}##. In the context of the atmosphere, this would be referring to the ionosphere.
 
Yes it is refractive index of plasma, derived using Drude model for free electrons motion.
 
Vagn said:
That looks like the refractive index for a plasma, where the plasma frequency is given by ##\omega_p^2=\frac{Ne^2}{\epsilon_0 m}##. In the context of the atmosphere, this would be referring to the ionosphere.
Yes. It is for ionosphere. Its about reflection of waves from ionosphere. As N the number density of electrons increase, the value of ##\mu## decreases hence the critical angle increases.
I am studying in 12th standard. I know single variable variable integration and I know how to solve linear first order differential equations. Can you explain the relation between mu and Eletric field?
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Yes it is refractive index of plasma, derived using Drude model for free electrons motion.
Drude model explains the drift of electrons in a coductor when an electric field is applied right?
 
There's a few different approaches to the derivation. The most straight-forward, in my opinion, is to start by solving the equation of motion of a free electron under the influence of some incident plane-wave. This will allow you to calculate the polarization of the free electron gas and then find the dielectric function and then the refractive index.
 
Agree with DelcrossA.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Agree with DelcrossA.
Can you explain Its basics?
 
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Start with assuming an electron subjected to an electric field, in addition imagine there is also damping force experienced by the moving electron. As for this damping force, people commonly model it as being proportional to electron's velocity. Put all these forces into Newton's equation of motion.
 
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