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Hi does anyone know the "formula/process" for the least square method if the are giving several (x,y) points and asking me to find y=Ax^2 + B?
The discussion revolves around the application of the least squares method to fit a quadratic polynomial of the form \(y = Ax^2 + B\) to a set of given points \((x, y)\). Participants explore various approaches to derive the coefficients \(A\) and \(B\), particularly in the context of ill-conditioned linear problems that may arise when dealing with higher-degree polynomials.
Participants generally agree on the basic principles of applying the least squares method, but there is no consensus on the best approach for handling ill-conditioned problems or the implications of using higher-degree polynomials. Multiple competing views remain regarding the methods to be employed.
Participants highlight that the solutions and methods discussed may depend on the specific characteristics of the data and the polynomial degree, which could lead to unresolved mathematical steps or assumptions about the conditioning of the problem.
Juliayaho said:Hi does anyone know the "formula/process" for the least square method if the are giving several (x,y) points and asking me to find y=Ax^2 + B?
Juliayaho said:Hi does anyone know the "formula/process" for the least square method if the are giving several (x,y) points and asking me to find y=Ax^2 + B?
Juliayaho said:Hi does anyone know the "formula/process" for the least square method if the are giving several (x,y) points and asking me to find y=Ax^2 + B?
Juliayaho said:Hi does anyone know the "formula/process" for the least square method if there are giving several (x,y) points and asking me to find y=Ax^2 + B?
chisigma said:Let's suppose that the approximating polynomial is $y=A\ x + B$ so that we have the so called 'least square straight line'. In this case if we have a discrete set of N + 1 points $[y_{i},x_{i}],\ i=0,1,...,N$ then we have to minimize respect to A and B the sum...
$\displaystyle S= \sum_{i=0}^{N} [y_{i} - A\ x_{i} - B]^{2}$ (1)
Proceeding in standard fashion we compute the partial derivatives and impose them to vanish...
$\displaystyle \frac{\partial{S}}{\partial{A}} = - 2\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ (y_{i} - A x_{i} - B) = 0$
$\displaystyle \frac{\partial{S}}{\partial{B}} = - 2\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} (y_{i} - A x_{i} - B) = 0$ (2)
Reordering we arrive to the 2 x 2 linear system of equations...
$\displaystyle A\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}^{2} + B\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i} = \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ y_{i}$
$\displaystyle A\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i} + B\ (N+1) = \sum_{i=0}^{N} y_{i}$ (3)
... the solution of which is...
$\displaystyle A = \frac{(N+1)\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ y_{i}- \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} y_{i}}{(N+1)\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}^{2} - (\sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i})^{2}}$
$\displaystyle B = \frac {\sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}^{2}\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} y_{i} - \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ y_{i}}{(N+1)\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}^{2} - (\sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i})^{2}}$ (4)
Very well!... but what to do if we want to use a polynomial of degree n>1?... we will examine that [if necessary...] in a next post...
chisigma said:Let's suppose that the approximating polynomial is $y=A\ x + B$ so that we have the so called 'least square straight line'. In this case if we have a discrete set of N + 1 points $[y_{i},x_{i}],\ i=0,1,...,N$ then we have to minimize respect to A and B the sum...
$\displaystyle S= \sum_{i=0}^{N} [y_{i} - A\ x_{i} - B]^{2}$ (1)
Proceeding in standard fashion we compute the partial derivatives and impose them to vanish...
$\displaystyle \frac{\partial{S}}{\partial{A}} = - 2\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ (y_{i} - A x_{i} - B) = 0$
$\displaystyle \frac{\partial{S}}{\partial{B}} = - 2\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} (y_{i} - A x_{i} - B) = 0$ (2)
Reordering we arrive to the 2 x 2 linear system of equations...
$\displaystyle A\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}^{2} + B\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i} = \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ y_{i}$
$\displaystyle A\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i} + B\ (N+1) = \sum_{i=0}^{N} y_{i}$ (3)
... the solution of which is...
$\displaystyle A = \frac{(N+1)\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ y_{i}- \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} y_{i}}{(N+1)\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}^{2} - (\sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i})^{2}}$
$\displaystyle B = \frac {\sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}^{2}\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} y_{i} - \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}\ y_{i}}{(N+1)\ \sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i}^{2} - (\sum_{i=0}^{N} x_{i})^{2}}$ (4)
Very well!... but what to do if we want to use a polynomial of degree n>1?... we will examine that [if necessary...] in a next post...
Kind regards
$\chi$ $\sigma$
I like Serena said:The set of derivatives of all the equations with respect to the coefficients is a Jacobian matrix J.
Solving the system is equivalent to multiplying by $(J^T J)^{-1}J^T$.
This can be generalized to more complicated expressions.
The solution remains the same as long as the expression is linear in the coefficients.
chisigma said:From the 'pure theoretically' point of view what You say is true... from the 'pratical' point of view, when You have an approximating polynomial of degree n>1, the procedure leads in most cases to an ill conditioned linear problem so that a different approach [disovered by the German mathematician Karl Friedriek Gauss...] has to be used...
Kind regards
$\chi$ $\sigma$