Optimizing the Pivot Point for a Uniform Bar's Frequency of Oscillation

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The discussion revolves around determining the optimal pivot point for a uniform bar to maximize its frequency of oscillation. The problem is situated within the context of rotational motion and physical pendulums.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest starting with a diagram to analyze forces acting on the bar. There are mentions of using concepts from physical pendulums and moments of inertia. Some participants question the applicability of the Lagrange method for solving the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various approaches to the problem, including drawing diagrams and considering different methods of analysis. There is a suggestion to refresh knowledge on related concepts, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about how to initiate their analysis, and there is a focus on understanding the implications of different pivot locations on the system's behavior.

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Homework Statement


Given a uniform bar of length L, which point should you hang it from (between 0 and L) so that you get maximum frequency for small oscillations?

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It seems like a basic problem, but I don´t know how to start. Could you guys give me some clues to start it?
 
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pitbull said:
It seems like a basic problem, but I don´t know how to start. Could you guys give me some clues to start it?
First, draw a diagram of the bar in some position and find the forces on it. If you can't post diagrams readably then describe it as well as you can.
 
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Look up "physical pendulum" and refresh your memory about rotational motion, moments of inertia, and so on.
 
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haruspex said:
First, draw a diagram of the bar in some position and find the forces on it. If you can't post diagrams readably then describe it as well as you can.

gneill said:
Look up "physical pendulum" and refresh your memory about rotational motion, moments of inertia, and so on.

Would it be easy to solve it using Lagrange method?
 
pitbull said:
Would it be easy to solve it using Lagrange method?
I'll admit that I haven't thought about that. I suppose that you could write the Lagrangian for the system and work from there. Give it a go and see where it takes you.

Personally I see it as a physical pendulum problem for which a formula for the period is well known. All you need to do is account for different pivot locations (a well known theorem related moments of inertia is involved) and seek a minimum.
 

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