A uniform steel bar swings from a pivot

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The discussion revolves around determining the length of a uniform steel bar that swings from a pivot, given its period of 1.3 seconds. The problem involves concepts related to pendulum motion and the application of relevant equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the correct formula for the period of a pendulum, with some questioning the validity of the original equation used. There is a discussion about the difference between a simple pendulum and a physical pendulum, leading to confusion about the correct application of the formulas.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing alternative formulas and clarifying the context of the equations. There is an acknowledgment of the need to differentiate between types of pendulums, and some participants are seeking clarification on the derivation of specific equations.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the parameters used in the equations, particularly the distance of the center of mass and its relation to the length of the bar. Participants are also addressing the implications of using different formulas for the period of a pendulum.

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Homework Statement


A uniform steel bar swings from a pivot at one end with a period of 1.3 sec.
Solve for Length of bar

Homework Equations


T=2pi*sqrt(L/g)

The Attempt at a Solution


since the period is 1.3 seconds, I just plug in 1.3 for T and 9.8m/s^2 for g and solve for L
i get L= .42m, which is wrong.
What am I doing wrong?
 
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So are you solving for the length of the bar? It is unclear in the information above what you are solving for.
 
Yosty22 said:
So are you solving for the length of the bar? It is unclear in the information above what you are solving for.

yes I am supposed to solve for the length of the bar, sorry about that
 
chicagobears34 said:

Homework Statement


A uniform steel bar swings from a pivot at one end with a period of 1.3 sec.
Solve for Length of bar

Homework Equations


T=2pi*sqrt(L/g)

Your formula is valid for a simple (mathematical) pendulum. It is a "physical pendulum" now.

ehild
 
I used T=2pi * sqrt(2L/3G) and got the correct answer.
is this the formula for period of a pendulum with a bar or something?
 
ehild said:
Yes, it is correct for a rod pivoted at one end. See http://cnx.org/content/m15585/latest/


I read your source and can't figure out how they came to that equation. When I do the math out of [tex]\frac{I}{Mgh}[/tex] and substitute [tex]\frac {ML^2}{3}[/tex]for I, I get [tex]2\pi\sqrt{\frac {L}{3g}}[/tex]instead of [tex]2\pi\sqrt{\frac{2L}{3g}}[/tex] Where did the 2 come from in the numerator in the correct equation?

EDIT: Was missing the equation higher up in your source article where it stated that [tex]h=\frac{L}{2}[/tex] where I was assuming h was the same as L.
 
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The time period of a physical pendulum is

[tex]T=2\pi \sqrt{\frac{I}{mgh}}[/tex]

where I is the moment of inertia of the swinging body with respect to the pivot,
m is the mass,
h is the distance of the centre of mass from the pivot.

In case of a homogeneous thin bar of length L, I=mL2/3, and the CM is at the middle, so h=L/2.ehild
 
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