Option 12: What Happens After Death?

[baywax]

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. What you are saying is true i every aspect. I was focusing on the fact of death in human culture, and despite the fact that many people find it important, and attempt to escape it, there is really no good tested method so far. Religion is a common doorway, but like I said before, there is really not that much conclusive data in that field, so let's not go into it.

Yes, death is a fact of life. In essence, a part of the natural rotation of nature.

Thank you for correcting me. I have a problem with clearly stating things in my posts.

You needed no correction because its true that today we are well aware of an end to life. And that provides a huge momentum to the way we live our lives... again... today. Whereas, animals who have not evolved a concsious awareness of "the end" simply live moment to moment with no true recollection or ability in applying what has happened with other animals to they're own existence. So, your point is extremely valid in terms of todays human population and culture.

 

[madphysics]

Just a question.

Isn't this conversation/arguement based on opinion?(Then again, aren't they all?)

If you want to answer, please do. If not, I was never here.

 

[baywax]

Just a question.

Isn't this conversation/arguement based on opinion?(Then again, aren't they all?)

If you want to answer, please do. If not, I was never here.

Yes. No one has died, stayed dead, and lived to tell about it.

 

[rewebster]

"Life's been good to me...




...so far"


J. Walsh


()

 

[easyrider]

I believe death is nonliving. No awareness, no consciousness, nothing. Just no experience at all, kinda like being knocked out or sleeping with no dreams. Dont get worried or mad or sad because of the inevitability, when death comes it will come, until then, live life. Experience everything you can. Learn as much as you can.
That video is awesome, I love weed.

 

[ShadowWorks]

I am very surprised to see all the Oblivion votes in this kind of forum, A vote for Oblivion is a vote for I'm to scared to dream and wonder.

All vote are just a reflection of the voters mind or programming, not the universe.

Fish live in water and that's all the see and know, we live in air and for thousands of years that's all people knew, now we see the out space further than we have ever done, we are still just looking at the sky with a turbocharged primate brain.

We are not even out there and we think we know what we are talking about.

Give us a few billion years of evolution and we may have a clue but I doubt it.

 

[rewebster]

I am very surprised to see all the Oblivion votes in this kind of forum, A vote for Oblivion is a vote for I'm to scared to dream and wonder.

All vote are just a reflection of the voters mind or programming, not the universe.

Fish live in water and that's all the see and know, we live in air and for thousands of years that's all people knew, now we see the out space further than we have ever done, we are still just looking at the sky with a turbocharged primate brain.

We are not even out there and we think we know what we are talking about.

Give us a few billion years of evolution and we may have a clue but I doubt it.

so...

does that mean you're going to wait until then to 'vote'?

 

[ShadowWorks]

I voted A Transition to Another Simulation

Its the closest one to what I can imagine.

 

[easyrider]

Does anyone think that what you believe has something to do with what will happen?

 

[Esnas]

Does anyone think that what you believe has something to do with what will happen?

I assume that you mean after death?

 

[easyrider]

Yeah, like what you believe will happen after death, does that have any effect on what actually will happen. Just another question to put out there. We won't actually know anything til we die, so all we can do is philosophize.

 

[JoeDawg]

Yeah, like what you believe will happen after death, does that have any effect on what actually will happen. Just another question to put out there. We won't actually know anything til we die, so all we can do is philosophize.

Thats not philosophizing that's fantasizing.

 

[rewebster]

Thats not philosophizing that's fantasizing.

yeah, but, so is 'riding a beam of light'

 

[baywax]

"Death is..." never having to say you're sorry.

"Death is..." not smelling yourself rot.

"Death is..." flowers in a sunny spot... on a gravesite.

"Death is... traveling at the speed of nothing.

 

[easyrider]

You look like fantasy. All philosophy is is using logic to try to explain reality and nature. We know nothing about death. All we can do is guess to the best of our ability.

 

[baywax]

You look like fantasy. All philosophy is is using logic to try to explain reality and nature. We know nothing about death. All we can do is guess to the best of our ability.

That's what this thread is about and why its in the philosophy section.

 

[rewebster]

"Die, v.:

To stop sinning suddenly."

Elbert Hubbard

 

[laurelelizabeth]

Reincarnation. Souls cannot be created or destroyed. So obviously they are re used. It gives us something to do after we die.

I guess when the Earth reaches its carrying capacity, that will also be when all the souls are used up. Or maybe the souls are getting spread thinner and thinner as the population grows...

 

[ShadowWorks]

Reincarnation. Souls cannot be created or destroyed. So obviously they are re used. It gives us something to do after we die.

I guess when the Earth reaches its carrying capacity, that will also be when all the souls are used up. Or maybe the souls are getting spread thinner and thinner as the population grows...

That sounds like the Guf or the famous quote from Dawn of the Dead.

"When there's no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the Earth"

I guess real estate in Hell must be as expensive as Hell :)

It stands to reason that Death is not real, Energy cannot be created or destroyed, I put it to all here that life cannot be created or destroyed, it just moves around like atoms.

 

[easyrider]

I doubt that there are souls. I think if shadowworks idea is true, that life can't be destroyed then I think it isn't souls that are the "us". If there were souls why did nothing happen before we were born or so it seems. If we had souls Id think something wouldve happened before we were born. That and there being no concrete proof for a deity makes me atheist and makes me believe nothing will happen after life.

 

[baywax]

I doubt that there are souls. I think if shadowworks idea is true, that life can't be destroyed then I think it isn't souls that are the "us". If there were souls why did nothing happen before we were born or so it seems. If we had souls Id think something wouldve happened before we were born. That and there being no concrete proof for a deity makes me atheist and makes me believe nothing will happen after life.

This is a fairly egocentric view of death. When a bunch of dinosaurs died they left cool fossils... in fact, we run our cars on the remains of their habitat. Something has happened after their death. Ever heard of "soilent green"?

 

[easyrider]

How does that support that they are experiencing anything after death though?

 

[baywax]

How does that support that they are experiencing anything after death though?

It wasn't written to support the idea of an experience after life. It was written to point out how events do continue after one dies. And some of these events inextricably involve one's remains.

makes me believe nothing will happen after life.

Your claim is that nothing happens after you die. You just may be missing everything. No one knows for sure.

Ghouls and zombies might have a different account of the "after life experience". Are there any on board?!-)

 

[rewebster]

Your claim is that nothing happens after you die. You just may be missing everything. No one knows for sure.

There is a great Zen Master whose advice and question may apply here:


"You've got to ask yourself one question:















'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you punk?"

 

[Esnas]

I doubt that there are souls. I think if shadowworks idea is true, that life can't be destroyed then I think it isn't souls that are the "us". If there were souls why did nothing happen before we were born or so it seems. If we had souls Id think something wouldve happened before we were born...

If by souls you mean the continuation of the personality of the deceased, I would doubt this also. My guess is that the energy that became focussed as a unique person gets diffused throughout the universe after the body dies. This energy may exist (in or outside of the temperal dimension) in this way until it becomes refocussed as another consciousness.

 

[zankaon]

Like a door opening ...

Like a door opening and closing,
with eternity on either side;
what is our statement nailed to the door?
And is it a proper statement?

 

[Ironside]

I think it's oblivion. You ever sleep through the night without dreaming? The next morning you can remember nothing about when you slept, cause all you see is black? You can't even tell time when you're sleeping, so imagine sleeping with no dreams, FOREVER! if that makes any sense.

 

[baywax]

There is a great Zen Master whose advice and question may apply here:


"You've got to ask yourself one question:















'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you punk?"

More of a metalhead dude.

 

[baywax]

I think it's oblivion. You ever sleep through the night without dreaming? The next morning you can remember nothing about when you slept, cause all you see is black? You can't even tell time when you're sleeping, so imagine sleeping with no dreams, FOREVER! if that makes any sense.

"Forever" would imply a sense of time and a sense of time, as far as we know, only comes with being alive. "Being dead" is a misnomer in that one is no longer "being" when one's life has ended.

 

[easyrider]

Yeah, my best guess would be like sleeping but exclude the dreaming and any neural activity. I wouldn't say an experience, more like a non-experience. Scientifically Id say my hypothesis is alright, but spiritually, I don't know. Anything could happen after death, all we can do is speculate, and hope the desperate assumption of someone tending the light at the end of the tunnel is true. I don't count on it though, you can if you want but if its gone happen then its gone happen. I highly doubt a diety would base his opinion on where you go because of your beliefs.