Orbit of Moon and the earth around thier COM

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The discussion revolves around the orbital dynamics of the Moon and Earth, specifically whether the Moon orbits the Earth or the center of mass (COM) of the Earth-Moon system. Participants explore the implications of this relationship on distances and forces involved in their orbits.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the Moon's orbit, questioning whether it is around the Earth or the COM. Some suggest that both bodies orbit the COM, while others challenge the idea of changing distances between them.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the orbital mechanics involved. Some participants assert that the distances between the Earth and Moon remain constant, while others highlight the variability in their distances due to the Moon's elliptical orbit. Guidance has been offered regarding the nature of tidal forces and the implications of their orbits.

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There are references to the complexity of the Moon's orbit, including perigee and apogee, which introduces variability in distances. Additionally, assumptions about angular velocity and its effects on forces are being examined, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts.

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does the moon orbit the Earth or the Center of mass of the earth-moon system.


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well, i think that it orbits the COM of the earth-moon system.



If this is the case then is the radius of the moon from the Earth always constant.
ie, if the moon orbits the COM of this system then the Earth must also orbit the COM of the system, hence the distance of Earth from the moon would always be changing and therefore the force applied would be changing too.
 
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I think your in the right mindframe. They both orbit the COM. It is just that the COM is located within the Earth, so that makes the moon orbit at different distances. Hence, from that deduction, this would also cause a small womble in the Earth as its orbit around the COM would be a smaller tighter orbit. You are right about the different forces. This is apparent with the different tidal forces that cause the rise and fall of the oceans on Earth. Any other questions or discussions?
 
the distances are not changing,they have the same distance from COM and from each other.both of them are rotating around COM with same angular velocity,so their distance won't change,
go0d luck
 
The moon's orbit is not regular. There is a perigee and apogee whereby the distance between the Earth and Moon varies considerably during its orbit. This in turn means the distance of both Earth and Moon from the CoM varies.
The c of m is in orbit about the Sun which gives rise to a slight wobble in the Earth's path.
 
armin.hodaie said:
the distances are not changing,they have the same distance from COM and from each other.both of them are rotating around COM with same angular velocity,so their distance won't change,
go0d luck

if u are referring to the equation : F=mrw^2

then even if the angular velocity (w) is constant(ie moon taking a constant no. of days to complete it's different phases) but still we can conclude (using simple maths) that distances are changing:

as i have already "asked" :
Assuming that the angular velocity is constant, would the radius change as the moon and the Earth orbit each other?

and if that ^^ is to happen then another thing must change too ie force applied by the Earth on the moon and the reaction force applied by the moon on the earth.

which is already answered in post no.2, so i would like further confirmation about post no.2

what he said , was it all correct ?
 

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