Orbital slingshot energy - energy from gravity?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of gravitational slingshots and the transfer of energy during such encounters. Participants explore the mechanics of how a planet can gain velocity when slingshotting around a star and the implications of energy conservation in gravitational interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a planet can increase its velocity after slingshotting around a star and seeks to understand the source of this energy increase.
  • Another participant asserts that the kinetic energy of the star decreases as it interacts gravitationally with the planet, suggesting that the energy for the planet's increase in velocity comes from the star.
  • A different participant challenges the initial claim, explaining that in a two-body system without other massive bodies, the speed of the planet relative to the star remains constant during the encounter, thus questioning the possibility of a velocity increase.
  • This participant introduces the idea that gravitational slingshots can change the direction of travel relative to a third mass, which could lead to an increase or decrease in total mechanical energy if multiple bodies are involved.
  • Another scenario is proposed where two large objects are brought close together in intergalactic space, questioning whether they would eventually move towards each other and where the kinetic energy for this movement originates.
  • A response indicates that the kinetic energy from the movement towards each other would come from gravitational potential energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of gravitational slingshots and the conservation of energy, with no consensus reached on the initial claims regarding velocity changes and energy sources.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about gravitational interactions in two-body versus multi-body systems, and the implications of energy conservation in these contexts remain unresolved.

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I am not a physicist, as will be indicated by what may turn out to be a ridiculous question, but this was something that popped into my head while day dreaming :shy:

Star A
Planet B

Am I right in saying that if Planet B were to approach Star A at the correct angle, it could slingshot around said star - being ejected at an increased velocity than that of it's approach?

If (and i can imagine I'm not :wink: ) I'm correct in the above - and energy cannot be created/destroyed - where does the energy for the increase of acceleration come from?

Many thanks for time
R3BORN
 
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From the kinetic energy of the star. Its now has less momentum and energy.
 
r3born said:
Am I right in saying that if Planet B were to approach Star A at the correct angle, it could slingshot around said star - being ejected at an increased velocity than that of it's approach?

For the situation you describe, no, you are not correct.

Assuming that there are no other massive body present, then the speed of B relative to A for a given encounter will be a function of only the distance between A and B. This means, that if the speed of B relative to A is v at distance d when B is heading towards A, then the speed will also be v when B has passed A and is at distance d traveling away from A. This also means that if A comes from very far away from B (on a so-called parabolic or hyperbolic unbounded orbit relelative to A), then B will again move very far away from B after its encounter.

Another way to put this "relationship" of the two masses is to say that the total mechanical energy of A and B, which is the sum of the potential energy from the gravitational field and the kinetic energy of the masses, must be constant when only gravitational forces are at work, hence there is is no "friction".

However, what gravitational slingshot do provide that can be "used" to increase the mechanical energy is that it changes the direction of travel of a mass, say your planet B, relative to a third mass, say star C (which could be a close companion to your star A), such that B as seen from C has a change in speed and therefore an increase or decrease in total mechanical energy. So, if you have at least three masses that interact gravitationally with each other, then it may occur that one of the masses is "ejected", that is, one of the masses goes from an orbit that was bounded to a trajectory that is unbounded.

A typical example of gravitational slingshot is gravitational assist [1] where the effect is used intentionally by letting a probe slingshot around one or more planets in our solar system in order to give the probe a specific trajectory relative to the Sun that would not be feasible to obtain by using rockets on the probe alone due to the large amount of fuel that otherwise would be needed.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist
 
Thanks for the answer Filip!

If i could suggest a second situation:

large object A and Large object B are towed into intergalactic space

A and B are brought close enough to each other for their gravitational fields to viably pull on the twin

A and B are then brought to an absolute stop (as well as that can be achieved) relative to each other

Given enough time, would A and B not eventually pull in towards each other?

Where is the kinetic energy (movement toward each other) coming from?

Many thanks - R3BORN
 
r3born said:
Where is the kinetic energy (movement toward each other) coming from?

Many thanks - R3BORN

From gravitational potential energy.
 

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