On gravity and the conservation of energy

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Discussion Overview

This discussion explores the relationship between gravity and the conservation of energy, raising questions about the nature of gravitational forces, spacetime, and energy transfer. Participants delve into theoretical implications, potential models, and speculative ideas regarding gravity's role in the universe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about gravity's role in energy conservation, noting that gravity seems to allow objects to accelerate without a clear source of energy.
  • The idea is presented that gravity compresses and warps spacetime, leading to questions about the energy required to maintain such distortions.
  • A hypothesis is suggested that the energy required for gravitational effects might be balanced by warping time, but this raises further questions about the nature of black holes and the relationship between space and time distortions.
  • Speculation arises about the concept of "stretching" spacetime as a counterbalance to gravitational compression, potentially explaining phenomena associated with dark matter and dark energy.
  • The participant wonders if dark matter could be interpreted as the result of displaced stretching of gravity, which could address multiple unresolved issues in cosmology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views and hypotheses are presented regarding the nature of gravity, energy conservation, and the implications for dark matter and dark energy.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the energy dynamics associated with gravity, the assumptions underlying gravitational theories, and the unresolved mathematical aspects of spacetime distortion.

  • #31
PeterDonis said:
"Compression" is not a good description. "Curvature" is better
In the Newtonian limit all gravity is encoded in ##g_{00}(x)##, which is more like "compression" (of time) than like curvature.
 

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