Orbitals around the nucleus problem

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electrons in atomic orbitals, specifically the 1s orbital, and the interpretation of probability distributions related to their positions around the nucleus. Participants are exploring concepts from quantum mechanics, particularly the implications of wave functions and probability densities.

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of classical models in explaining electron behavior and discussing the interpretation of probability densities in quantum mechanics. There are attempts to clarify the distinction between probability per unit volume and probability per unit radius.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the nature of probability in quantum mechanics. Some have offered clarifications regarding the mathematical representations of probabilities, while others express confusion about the implications of these concepts.

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There are references to external resources for further understanding, and participants are navigating through potentially conflicting interpretations of quantum mechanical principles. The original poster's assumptions about electron proximity to the nucleus are being critically examined.

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Rsepected sir
Please read my doubts in the attachment and kindly answer it.
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From your first question:

The electrons in the 1s orbital cannot go very near to the nucleus.

Why do you believe that? It is not true. If you are thinking of the Bohr-Sommerfeld model in which electrons travel in classical planet-like circular or elliptical orbits, that model has not been considered valid for about eighty years now. It was superseded by the quantum mechanics of Schrödinger, Heisenberg, et al.

The probability per unit volume for finding a 1s electron (in a hydrogen atom) at a given location is given by the square of the wave function \psi for n = 1, as given near the bottom of this page:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/hydwf.html

Notice that this function has its maximum value at r = 0!
 
It depends on which probability you're talking about. The probability per unit of volume is given by |\psi|^2 which for the 1s orbital is maximum at r = 0, but the probability per unit of radius goes like r^2|\psi|^2 which goes to zero as r goes to zero.

If a particle is equally likely to be found anywhere within the volume of a sphere (uniform |\psi|^2), it is less likely to have a small r than a large r, because (loosely speaking) there are fewer points with small r than with large r. I consider this variation to be purely a geometrical artifact.
 
Yes, that is very counterintuitive. When I read 'probability per unit volume' I immediately think it is the probability of finding a certain electron within a volume element (thin shell) centered on the nucleus and a function of r and r + dr and, of course, that probability is per unit of radius and has a maximum value at r=a_0.
 
ignore this one.
 
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