Are electrons constantly orbiting around the nucleus in an atom?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electrons in an atom, specifically questioning whether they are constantly orbiting the nucleus and the implications of energy and force in this context. The subject area includes atomic physics and energy transfer in circuits.

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the movement of electrons to energy and force, questioning if the nucleus exerts a force that allows electrons to move. Some participants explore the implications of energy conservation and the nature of forces acting on electrons.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of how electrons acquire their kinetic energy and the role of the nucleus in this process. There is an ongoing inquiry into the nature of forces and energy in both atomic and circuit contexts, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Some participants reference the Bohr model of the atom while discussing the forces involved, and there is mention of energy conservation principles in relation to the movement of electrons.

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Hi,I am currently studying A-level physics in the UK.:smile:
I have been taught that electrons in an atom are orbiting around the nucleus.
I would like to ask a question:

Consider 2 situations:
(1):
A man is pushing a box forwards along a horizontal road.
Work done = Fs
The chemical energy of the man is converted into the kinetic energy of the box.
(2):
In a closed circuit,chemical energy of the battery is converted to the kinetic energy of
electrons.

That means energy is related to force.Without energy,no force can be exerted on an object.
In my case,if electrons are constantly moving around the nucleus,does it mean that the
nucleus is exerting a force on the electron,so that the electrons have enough energy to
move at any time instant?

If that's true,consider (2) again,the chemical energy in batteries will eventually run out,so that
there will be no more energy supplied to the circuit.
Back to my original concern,once the nucleus has used up its energy,will the electron stop
moving,and stick on the surface of the nucleus?

Thx so much :s

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I'll stick to the Bohr's model of the atom here as it makes sense easily. Now if a force is applied on a body, it is not necessary that work is done on it or energy is supplied. Work is defined as F.s or as Fscosθ where θ is the angle between the force and displacement vectors. So if the force is perpendicular to the movement of the object, no work is done on it.

The nucleus of an atom does no work on the electron as it exerts a force perpendicular to the electron's displacement. The electrons are moving because they have energy of their own (kinetic energy).

In case of the electric circuit, the electric field produced by the battery pushes the electrons. Here the battery does work because the force and displacement are parallel. And here the battery also gets exhausted as it uses up its chemical energy to produce a field and push the electrons.
 
Sunil Simha said:
I'll stick to the Bohr's model of the atom here as it makes sense easily. Now if a force is applied on a body, it is not necessary that work is done on it or energy is supplied. Work is defined as F.s or as Fscosθ where θ is the angle between the force and displacement vectors. So if the force is perpendicular to the movement of the object, no work is done on it.

The nucleus of an atom does no work on the electron as it exerts a force perpendicular to the electron's displacement. The electrons are moving because they have energy of their own (kinetic energy).

In case of the electric circuit, the electric field produced by the battery pushes the electrons. Here the battery does work because the force and displacement are parallel. And here the battery also gets exhausted as it uses up its chemical energy to produce a field and push the electrons.

Then where does the energy of electron come from?Something must have exerted a force on it so that it can move,do you mean it has kinetic energy intrinsically?
 
davon806 said:
Then where does the energy of electron come from?Something must have exerted a force on it so that it can move,do you mean it has kinetic energy intrinsically?

I guess the electron acquires its kinetic energy when it gets captured by the nucleus. Initially, say the electron was very far away ( you can say that it was in an orbit around the nucleus at infinite distance). Because of the attraction of the nucleus, it was brought into smaller and smaller orbits up to its current position. Here, you can see that the electron lost electrical potential energy and (by energy conservation) gained kinetic energy.
 

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