Orbiting space station is observed to remain always vertically above

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which an orbiting space station can appear to remain vertically above the same point on Earth. It explores concepts related to orbital mechanics, specifically geosynchronous and geostationary orbits, and the implications for observers located at different latitudes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if a space station is observed to remain vertically above the same point on Earth, the observer must be on the equator.
  • Others argue that the observer does not need to be on the equator, but the point directly below the geosynchronous space station must be on the equator.
  • One participant questions the clarity of the original thesis and suggests that the orbit of the space station can be around the Earth's core without being limited to the equator.
  • Another participant emphasizes that for a space station to remain directly above a single point on Earth, it must be in a geostationary orbit, which is a specific type of geosynchronous orbit.
  • There is confusion regarding the definition of "thesis" and the conditions under which satellites can maintain a fixed position relative to an observer on Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the conditions for a space station to appear stationary above a point on Earth. Some maintain that equatorial positioning is necessary, while others propose that this is not a strict requirement, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of geosynchronous and geostationary orbits, as well as the implications of angular velocity in relation to Earth's rotation.

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Why is it that if an orbiting space station is observed to remain always vertically above the same point on Earth then the observer must be on the equator of Earth?
 
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Ed Quanta said:
Why is it that if an orbiting space station is observed to remain always vertically above the same point on Earth then the observer must be on the equator of Earth?

Why do you think?
 
Strictly speaking the statement isn't true. The observer doesn't need to be on the equator, but the point above which the geosynchronous space station remains stationary must be on the equator. (I am having trouble telling if I wrote that correctly)
 
Here's a hint:
http://smithplanet.com/stuff/orbiter/dockingimages/mapMFD.jpg" is a (randomly Googled) world map with some orbits superimposed on it. Why do the orbits seem to follow nice sine waves instead of straight lines? What properties of the two orbits illustrated would cause the two sine waves to have different amplitudes (heights)?
 
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The thesis is wrong. The orbit of the space station will always around the core of the Earth but not neccesarily around the equator. You will see the space station always above you if it has the same angular velocity as the Earth. For example telecommunication satellites work like this. They are put into orbit by high powered rockets so that they have angular velocity the same as that of the Earth.
 
cigster said:
The thesis is wrong. The orbit of the space station will always around the core of the Earth but not neccesarily around the equator. You will see the space station always above you if it has the same angular velocity as the Earth. For example telecommunication satellites work like this. They are put into orbit by high powered rockets so that they have angular velocity the same as that of the Earth.
I am not sure what this person is talking about. There's some misleading info here.
1] What thesis?
2] A satelllite will NOT always be above you if it isn't in an equatorial orbit.
 
cigster said:
The thesis is wrong. The orbit of the space station will always around the core of the Earth but not neccesarily around the equator.
In order for the space station to remain vertically above the same point on the Earth (this is a given condition), the space station must be in an equatorial geosynchronous orbit (i.e., a geostationary orbit). There are no other orbits that satisfy this given condition.
 

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