Order of an element in a group

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In the discussion on the order of an element in a finite group, the main focus is on proving that the order of an element g, denoted as o(g), is the smallest positive integer r such that g^r equals the identity element e. Participants clarify that the set generated by g, denoted ⟨g⟩, is finite and contains distinct powers of g. A key point raised is the need to show that every power of g can be expressed in terms of a smaller exponent, leading to the conclusion that the set contains exactly r distinct elements. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly defining the cardinality of ⟨g⟩ and ensuring that the proof demonstrates the relationship between the order of g and the generated set. The discussion ultimately aims to solidify the understanding of the properties of group elements and their orders.
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Bashyboy said:
I am sorry to rehash this again, but I am having trouble with one argument I made:
I don't see why this implies that ##a## and ##k## have to have the same exponent. Isn't it possible that ##k > a##, yet ##g^k## and #g^a## get mapped to the same element?

Correct. I didn't read closely enough. ##g^k=g^a## doesn't mean k and a are the same. Just the powers of g are the same. Omit that statement and the rest is fine.
 
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I am not sure how I can conclude ##\langle g \rangle## and ##G_r## are the same set, then. Haven't I only demonstrated that ##G_r## is a subset?
 
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Bashyboy said:
I am not sure how I can conclude ##\langle g \rangle## and ##G_r## are the same set, then. Haven't I only demonstrated that ##G_r## is a subset?

Haven't you shown that for any a, ##g^a=g^k## for some k in {0,1,...,r-1}? Isn't that enough?
 
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Oh, and so this forces them to be equal, and it forces the exponents of ##\langle g \rangle##, without any repetition, to be {0,1,2,3...,r-1}. Is that right?
 
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Bashyboy said:
Oh, and so this forces them to be equal, and it forces the exponents of ##\langle g \rangle##, without any repetition, to be {0,1,2,3...,r-1}. Is that right?

What do you mean 'without repetition'? ##g^a## is in ##G_r## for any a. So ##\langle g \rangle## is contained in ##G_r##. Isn't that clear?
 
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