Ordinary points, regular singular points and irregular singular points

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The discussion revolves around the classification of points in ordinary differential equations (ODEs), specifically focusing on ordinary points, regular singular points, and irregular singular points. Participants explore the conditions under which a point of interest, denoted as x₀, can be classified based on the behavior of the functions p(x) and q(x) at that point.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if x₀ is considered an ordinary point if p(x) and q(x) remain finite at x₀.
  • Another participant agrees that if p(x) and q(x) are finite at x₀, then x₀ is indeed an ordinary point.
  • There is a discussion about multiplying p(x) and q(x) by (x - x₀) and (x - x₀)², questioning if the limits of these products being finite would classify x₀ as a regular singular point.
  • One participant notes that whether x₀ is a regular singular point depends on the limits of the fractions formed by dividing p(x) and q(x) by (x - x₀) as x approaches x₀.
  • Another participant states that if the limits do not exist, then x₀ would be classified as an irregular singular point.
  • A later reply corrects a formula regarding the limits, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the previous statements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of ordinary points and irregular singular points, but there is some uncertainty and debate regarding the classification of regular singular points, particularly concerning the limits of the functions involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the limits of p(x) and q(x) as x approaches x₀, and some formulas were noted to be incorrect by participants, indicating potential confusion in the discussion.

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Say we have an ODE

\frac{d^{2}x}{d^{2}y}+ p(x)\frac{dx}{dy}+q(x)y=0

Now, we introduce a point of interest x_{0}

If p(x) and q(x) remain finite at at x_{0}
is x_{0}
considered as an
ordinary point ?

Now let's do some multiplication with x_{0}
still being
the point of interest

(x-x_{0})p(x) (1)

and

(x-x_{0})^{2}q(x) (2)

If (1) and (2) remain finite, is x_{0}
considered as a regular singular point ?

Otherwise if (1) and (2) are undefined, is x_{0}
an irregular singular point ?

thanks in advance
 
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JamesGoh said:
Say we have an ODE

\frac{d^{2}x}{d^{2}y}+ p(x)\frac{dx}{dy}+q(x)y=0

Now, we introduce a point of interest x_{0}

If p(x) and q(x) remain finite at at x_{0}
is x_{0}
considered as an
ordinary point ?
Yes, it is.

Now let's do some multiplication with x_{0}
still being
the point of interest

(x-x_{0})p(x) (1)

and

(x-x_{0})^{2}q(x) (2)

If (1) and (2) remain finite, is x_{0}
considered as a regular singular point ?
Well, that depends. You started with the equation
\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+ p(x)\frac{dy}{dx}+ q(x)y= 0
Multiplying the second derivative by x- x_0 would be the same as having
\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+ \frac{p(x)}{x- x_0}\frac{dy}{dx}+ \frac{q(x)}{x- x_0}y= 0
Whether x_0 is a "regular singular point" or not now depends upon the limits of those two fractions as x goes to x_0. IF p(x) and q(x) were 0 at x= x_0, then x_0 might still be an ordinary point.

Otherwise if (1) and (2) are undefined, is x_{0}
an irregular singular point ?
Yes.

thanks in advance
Given the differential equation
\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+ p(x)\frac{dy}{dx}+ q(x)y= 0
If \lim_{x\to x_0}p(x) and \lim_{x\to x_0} q(x) exist, then x_0 is an "ordinary" point.

If those do not exist but \lim (x- x_0)(x- x_0)p(x) and \lim(x-x_0)^2q(x) exist, then x_0 is a "regular singular" point.

In any other situation, x_0 is an "irregular singular" point.

It might be helpful to remember that the "Euler-Lagrange" type equation,
(x- x_0)^2\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+ (x- x_0)\frac{dy}{dx}+ y= 0
has x_0 as a "regular singular point".
 
HallsofIvy said:
If those do not exist but \lim (x- x_0)(x- x_0)p(x) and \lim(x-x_0)^2q(x) exist, then x_0 is a "regular singular" point.

You mean \lim (x- x_0)p(x) for the last quote right ?
 
Yes, I managed to mess up a couple of formulas in that!
 

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