Orthogonality of inner product of generators

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical properties of the inner product defined between generators of a Lie algebra, specifically focusing on the orthogonality of these generators as expressed through the trace operation. The scope includes theoretical aspects of Lie algebras and their applications in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the trace of the product of two different generators of a Lie algebra is zero, seeking clarification on the orthogonality of the inner product.
  • Another participant suggests that the orthogonality is a matter of convenience, noting that it is possible to choose an orthogonal basis for the generators of the Lie algebra.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the importance of the trace operation as an inner product, stating that if an inner product exists, an orthogonal basis can be selected.
  • Another participant highlights the properties of semi-simple compact Lie groups, mentioning that their generators can be chosen to be orthogonal, which leads to a natural metric structure and implications for integration over the group.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of orthogonality in the context of Lie algebras, with some asserting it is a matter of choice and convenience, while others emphasize the inherent properties of certain groups. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the necessity or implications of orthogonality.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about the definitions of inner products or the specific conditions under which orthogonality applies to the generators of Lie algebras.

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Hi, this is a rather mathematical question. The inner product between generators of a Lie algebra is commonly defined as \mathrm{Tr}[T^a T^b]=k \delta^{ab}. However, I don't understand why this trace is orthogonal, i.e. why the trace of a multiplication of two different generators is always zero.
 
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This is a choice we make for convenience. The generators form a basis for vector space that is the Lie algebra, and it is convenient to choose an orthogonal basis. We can always choose a basis that is orthogonal.
 
The only thing you should worry about is whether the trace tr(AB), where A and B are elements of the Lie algebra, is an inner product or not. If you have an inner product, you can always select an orthogonal basis.
 
This is the great thing with semi-simple compact Lie groups. Their generators can always be chosen such as they are "orthogonal" in the sense you wrote. This implies that the Lie group, as a differentiable manifold (with the group operations providing differentiable mappings), has a "natural" metric (Riemann-space) structure and you can thus easily derive things like the invariant measure for integrations over the group (Haar measure), using Weyl's unitarity trick (proving that all finite-dimensional representations are equivalent to a unitary one) etc. Last but not least, all semi-simple compact Lie groups are identified ("Cartan catalogue"). For details, see Weinberg, Quantum Theory of Fields, Vol. 2.
 
I see, that makes sense. Thank you all for answering
 

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