Orthonormal Basis times a real Matrix

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which a set of vectors formed by multiplying an orthonormal basis by a real matrix results in another orthonormal basis. Specifically, participants explore the relationship between the orthogonality of the matrix and the orthonormality of the resulting vectors.

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  • One participant asks how the expression $(u_1, u_2, \ldots, u_n)A$ is defined, suggesting a possible misunderstanding of the notation and proposing that it might be more accurate to express it as $v_j = Au_j$.
  • Another participant provides a proof that if $A$ is orthogonal, then the resulting set $\{v_1, \ldots, v_n\}$ is orthonormal, citing properties of inner products and linear independence.
  • A participant requests clarification on a specific step in the proof regarding the transition from $\langle A^T A u_i, u_j\rangle$ to $\langle Au_i, Au_j\rangle$.
  • One participant explains the relationship between the adjoint of a matrix and inner products, emphasizing the equality holds for all vectors in the vector space.
  • Another participant elaborates on the properties of the dot product for real numbers, noting that similar principles apply for complex numbers with appropriate adjustments for the adjoint operation.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical properties of orthogonal matrices and their implications for orthonormal bases, but there is some uncertainty regarding the notation and definitions used in the initial post.

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There are unresolved questions about the notation and definitions, particularly concerning the expression $(u_1, u_2, \ldots, u_n)A$ and its interpretation in the context of vector spaces and transformations.

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Hi!

I have an orthonormal basis for vector space $V$, $\{u_1, u_2, ..., u_n\}$. If $(v_1, v_2, ..., v_n) = (u_1, u_2, ... u_n)A$ where $A$ is a real $n\times n$ matrix, how do I prove that $(v_1, v_2, ... v_n)$ is an orthonormal basis if and only if $A$ is an orthogonal matrix?

Thanks!
 
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Could you explain how $(u_1, u_2, \ldots, u_n)A$ is defined? I don't understand, since the $u_j$ are vectors in an arbitrary $n$-dimensional (real) vector space, while $A$ is an $n \times n$ matrix.

Do you mean to write $v_j = Au_j$ where $A$ is an endomorphism of a real inner product space $V$ and then prove that the $v_j$ form an orthonormal basis iff $A$ is an orthogonal transformation?
 
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Hi, yes that is what I meant! Sorry!
 
Hi linearishard,

First suppose $A$ is orthogonal. Then $A^TA = I$, so for all $i,j\in \{1,2,\ldots, n\}$, $$\langle Au_i, Au_j\rangle = \langle A^TAu_i, u_j\rangle =\langle Iu_i, u_j\rangle = \langle u_i, u_j\rangle = \delta_{ij}$$ where the last equality follows from orthonormality of $\{u_1,\ldots, u_n\}$. Therefore, $\{v_1,\ldots, v_n\}$ is an orthonormal set. The set $\{v_1,\ldots, v_n\}$ is also linearly independent, for if $$\sum_{i = 1}^n c_i v_i = 0$$ is a linear dependence relation, then $$A\left(\sum_{i = 1}^n c_i u_i\right) = 0$$ Pre-multiplying both sides of the equation by $A^T$ and using the fact $A^TA = I$, one receives $$\sum_{i = 1}^n c_i u_i = 0$$ whence $c_1 = \cdots = c_n = 0$ by linear independence of $\{u_1,\ldots, u_n\}$. Thus, $\{v_1,\ldots, v_n\}$ is a basis for $V$.

Conversely, suppose $\{v_1,\ldots, v_n\}$ an orthonormal basis. For all indices $i$ and $j$, $\langle Au_i, Au_j\rangle = \delta_{ij}$. So since $\{u_1,\ldots, u_n\}$ is an orthonormal basis then for every $i$ $$A^T Au_i = \sum_{j = 1}^n \langle A^T A u_i, u_j\rangle u_j = \sum_{j = 1}^n \langle Au_i, Au_j\rangle u_j = \sum_{j = 1}^n \delta_{ij}u_j = u_i$$ Consequently $A^TA = I$, i.e., $A$ is orthogonal. $\blacksquare$
 
Thank you for your response, could you please explain to me the logic behind the last line? How do you go from <ATAui,uj> to <Aui,Auj>?
 
Since $A^T$ is the adjoint of $A$, $\langle A^Tx,y\rangle = \langle x, Ay\rangle$ for all $x,y\in V$. In particular, the equality holds when $x = Au_i$ and $y = u_j$.
 
Since we're apparently working with real numbers, we can write:
$$\langle A^Tx,y\rangle
= (A^Tx)^T \cdot y
= (x^TA)\cdot y
=x^T\cdot (Ay)
=\langle x, Ay\rangle
$$
This is generally true for the dot product of vectors with real numbers.
For complex numbers the same thing holds, just with the conjugate transpose or adjoint (usually written as $A^\dagger$, $A^*$, or $A^H$) instead of the transpose $A^T$.
 

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