Overcoming Poor Undergraduate Performance to Pursue Math PHD

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The discussion revolves around an individual's desire to transition from a programming career to pursuing a PhD in pure mathematics, despite a poor undergraduate academic record in mathematics and recent standardized test scores. Participants explore the challenges and considerations involved in making such a career change, including the importance of foundational knowledge and the potential paths to graduate study.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses regret over their past performance in mathematics and questions their ability to conduct research, suggesting a focus on understanding the broader concepts of mathematics rather than just techniques.
  • Another participant advises against changing careers based on past performance, recommending starting as a non-degree graduate student before pursuing a master's degree in mathematics.
  • A different contributor emphasizes the importance of hard work and determination in achieving difficult dreams, acknowledging that many others may have better academic credentials.
  • One participant reflects on the value of online resources for learning mathematics but ultimately recognizes the necessity of formal education to stay on the right path.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the feasibility of transitioning to a mathematics career, with some cautioning against it based on past performance while others encourage perseverance and hard work. There is no consensus on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of relying solely on past academic performance and the potential need for foundational knowledge before pursuing advanced studies. The conversation reflects varying perspectives on the role of formal education versus self-directed learning.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals considering a career change to mathematics or related fields, especially those with non-traditional backgrounds or concerns about their academic history.

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I'm now a programmer in a Shanghai based IT company. I have been graduated from
college for 4 years and my major in college is not math or physics related. But I kept
thinking my "philosophical stuff" along and recently found there's answers for me in
both pure mathematics and theoretical physics(M-theory/LQG, etc). so I decided to
apply for a pure Math PHD study to make a sound base to do researching job.
it's some difficult for me because:
My undergraduate transcript just show very poor performance, also in those math
classes as calculus, linear algebra and probability theory. and recently I got my first
and terrible GRE score and a TOEFL 537.
Someone told me I'll be competitive if I had journal papers. I think this is interesting
on this condition that my goal is just present my thoughts in academic paper after
learn mathematics systematically in graduate school. for now, if I have ability to
send serious paper I would most probably not that urge to apply for a graduate study.
now I'm learning Garrity's book, All the Mathematics You Missed...
I'm looking for your suggestion, thank you!
 
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I cannot in good conscious recommend you changing your career considering your lack of showing any ability to pursue a successful career in mathematics but if you really need to do this. You should go to school as a non-degree graduate student and than go for your masters in pure or applied mathematics.
 
hello, Student_at_CUNY

thank you for your reply!
yes, I was very regret not learning maths well during my college time, and
sometime I ask myself if I'm really having ability to do research in maths,
especially when I was slow in doing those exercises full of tricks in textbooks.
but in most time I tend to believe it's not the real math I'm looking for, instead
I think a math as a whole is much more important than any detailed techniques.
what is maths is the only question I want to know...
non-degree graduate study is also a good way to go, thank you.
 
if you want to go based on past performance, trends, etc., like the other poster said, changing careers is not a great option.

however. i believe there comes a time in everyone's life where you have to make huge choices. for you i guess its, stay in my safe job or pursue my passion.

i want to share some things i have observed for anyone who wants to pursue a very difficult dream. i am a huge baseball fan and i am a huge supporter of sabermetrics, or evaluating players strictly based on their numbers (ERA, avg home runs year, career batting average, career on base, career ops, so on and so on).

here is the point, a lot of times in life, we let numbers define us. the only way to break out of this cycle is to work extremely hard. that is the only way you get somewhere. everyone has extravagent dreams and goals, it is your will, your work ethic, your determination, your focus that will achieve your dreams or not achieve your dreams.

so, if you really feel like you are going to change careers and go to a Grad school in the United States, you must understand, you have to work very very hard. there are other people out there with better numbers; better GRE, better TOEFEL, better GPA. but, if you can dedicate yourself and work extremely hard, go for it.

good luck man
 
hello, JasonJo

you're right.
after all, life is always hard, especially for me in the most populous country
in the world. for the past three years I have been thinking the question if
I'd better stay in current job along or make a big change, or how to balance
them all.
I once thought to learn from the web instead of school, because there's
wikipedia open, good text lectures downloadable, there's arxiv open, and
many many others you can get on the web today. but I still know school
study is necessary to get you in the right path not too wild...
thank you very much!
 
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