Oxydation of cyclic enol with KMnO4

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The discussion revolves around the oxidation of cyclic enols using potassium permanganate (KMnO4), focusing on the reaction mechanism and the expected products. Participants explore the steps involved in the reaction, including the formation of carbonyl or carboxylic acid products, and the influence of KMnO4 as a strong oxidizer.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the mechanism due to the absence of an alpha hydrogen for internal proton transfer.
  • Another participant notes that KMnO4 is a strong, non-specific oxidizer, suggesting that a mix of products is likely in practice.
  • A participant emphasizes focusing on the ene side of the enol before the hydroxyl side, comparing KMnO4's behavior to that of periodates with double bonds.
  • There is a mention of the formation of a 5-member ring containing manganese as a key step in the reaction with alkenes.
  • One participant suggests that cold dilute conditions should be used to achieve the expected product.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanism and the expected products, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the reaction conditions and the specific products formed, as well as the dependence on the definitions of the reaction steps.

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Hi, please help me write the mechanism of this reaction. Usually id have an alpha hydrogen for me to do an internal proton transfer, but in this case i don't know what to do. I know the last step is wrong but i don't know how to obtain a carbonyl orcarboxylic acid form this.
Thank you so much for your help!
 
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Caveat: practically speaking, KMnO4 is quite a strong, non-specific oxidizer, so in real life there’d likely be a mix of products.

That said, I’d focus on the ene side of the enol before the hydroxyl side. KMnO4 operates like periodates when it comes to double bonds.
 
TeethWhitener said:
Caveat: practically speaking, KMnO4 is quite a strong, non-specific oxidizer, so in real life there’d likely be a mix of products.

That said, I’d focus on the ene side of the enol before the hydroxyl side. KMnO4 operates like periodates when it comes to double bonds.
Thank you for your answer but I am not quite sure i'd know how to write the mechanism if i start with the ene side. Do i still form a ring of 4 or when i break the pi bond, it would go to the more electronegative oxygen?
 
I can’t quite parse your response, but one of the key steps of permanganate reacting with alkenes is the formation of a 5-member ring containing the manganese.
 
TeethWhitener said:
Caveat: practically speaking, KMnO4 is quite a strong, non-specific oxidizer, so in real life there’d likely be a mix of products.

That said, I’d focus on the ene side of the enol before the hydroxyl side. KMnO4 operates like periodates when it comes to double bonds.
Yes, true. I believe the conditions should be cold dilute to make the expected product.
 
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