Pairwise/Mutual Independence of Events: Tossing Red/Blue Dice

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The problem involves tossing a pair of fair dice, one red and one blue, and defining three events related to the outcomes of the red die and the sum of the two dice. The main question is whether these events are pairwise independent or mutually independent.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the probabilities associated with the defined events and explore the conditions for independence. There is an attempt to calculate intersections of events and compare them to the product of individual probabilities.

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Some participants have provided calculations and reasoning regarding the independence of the events, while others have pointed out grammatical issues in the problem statement. The discussion appears to be ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the correctness of their reasoning.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted grammatical error in the description of the events, specifically regarding the use of "dice" instead of "die." This may affect the clarity of the problem but does not alter the mathematical reasoning being discussed.

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Homework Statement



Toss a pair of fair dice, one in red and the other is blue. Define the events
A={Red dice showing 1 or 2 or 3}
B={Red dice showing 3 or 4 or 5}
C={The sum of points on the two dice equals 9}
Are the 3 events pairwise independent? mutually independent? Justify your answer.

Homework Equations


Events A and B are independent if and only if P(A intersection B) = P(A) x P(B)

The Attempt at a Solution


P(A)=P(B)=1/2
P(C)=4/36=1/9 (Since 9=3+6=4+5=5+4=6+3)

P(A intersection B) = P(Red *dice* showing 3) = 1/6 *should be die*
P(A intersection C) = 1/36 (Since the only possible combination that results in 9 is 3+6)
Likewise, P(B intersection C) = 3/36 = 1/12

It can be seen that P(A intersection B) ≠ P(A) x P(B) so A and B are not independent. The same conclusion can be made for A and C, B and C.
Therefore, A, B, C are neither pairwise independent nor mutually independent.

Above is my first try at the problem but I'm not sure if it's correct or not. Would appreciate it if someone would help me clarify this, thanks!
 
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drawar said:

Homework Statement



Toss a pair of fair dice, one in red and the other is blue. Define the events
A={Red dice showing 1 or 2 or 3}
B={Red dice showing 3 or 4 or 5}
C={The sum of points on the two dice equals 9}
Are the 3 events pairwise independent? mutually independent? Justify your answer.
They are neither independent nor mutually exclusive because all three include "red die shows 3". By the way, "red dice" is grammatically incorrect because "dice" is the plural of "die".

Homework Equations


Events A and B are independent if and only if P(A intersection B) = P(A) x P(B)


The Attempt at a Solution


P(A)=P(B)=1/2
P(C)=4/36=1/9 (Since 9=3+6=4+5=5+4=6+3)

P(A intersection B) = P(Red dice showing 3) = 1/6
P(A intersection C) = 1/36 (Since the only possible combination that results in 9 is 3+6)
Likewise, P(B intersection C) = 3/36 = 1/12

It can be seen that P(A intersection B) ≠ P(A) x P(B) so A and B are not independent. The same conclusion can be made for A and C, B and C.
Therefore, A, B, C are neither pairwise independent nor mutually independent.

Above is my first try at the problem but I'm not sure if it's correct or not. Would appreciate it if someone would help me clarify this, thanks!
 
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My bad, should have been
A={Red die showing 1 or 2 or 3}
B={Red die showing 3 or 4 or 5}

Thanks for spotting them.

Apart from this stupid grammatical error, is there anything wrong with my reasoning?
 
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drawar said:
My bad, should have been
A={Red die showing 1 or 2 or 3}
B={Red die showing 3 or 4 or 5}

Thanks for spotting them.

Apart from this stupid grammatical error, is there anything wrong with my reasoning?

Your reasoning is fine.

RGV
 

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