Papal conclave in the Vatican: too quick?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the time taken to elect a new Pope in the Catholic Church, specifically questioning whether the two-day duration for the conclave was unusually quick. Participants explore the probability of election outcomes and the implications of such a rapid process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the probability of electing a new Pope in a conclave, suggesting an extremely low likelihood of a new Pope being elected in just two days, leading to a conclusion that the elections were rigged.
  • Another participant counters that the voting process is not random, indicating that certain cardinals have a higher chance of being elected, which complicates the probability calculations.
  • A third participant humorously agrees with the rigging claim, attributing it to divine intervention.
  • A fourth participant jokes about the impossibility of a recount due to the burning of ballots, adding a light-hearted tone to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the voting process, with some emphasizing the randomness of outcomes while others highlight the influence of certain candidates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the quick election and the validity of the initial probability calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully agree on the assumptions underlying the probability calculations, particularly regarding the non-random nature of the voting process and the influence of candidate popularity.

Lucas Ayres
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I was wondering yesterday how much time it would take to elect a new Pope for the Catholic Church... Well, I reached a quite bizarre conclusion and it seems very strange to me that the whole election was settled in only two days.

Since I am not an expert in probability, I would like to know if I made any mistakes in my calculations!

There are 115 cardinals and each cardinal writes down the name of another cardinal (in secrecy). Then, after the voting process is finished, someone counts the votes. A new Pope is elected if he receives more than 2/3 of the votes (i.e., 77 votes)

Therefore, the probability of a new pope being elected in any given day is:

p=115×(38)^114/(115)^114≈10^-53

(There are 115^114 different voting results - each cardinal can vote for any of the cardinals other than himself. A Pope is elected if he gets 77 votes (there are 115 possible winners). The are other (38)^114 possible voting results for each winner.)

According to the geometric distribution, the expected number of days it would take for a new pope to be elected is 1/p≈10^53. That's about 10^44 billion days, or more than 10^41 billion years... I can only conclude the elections were rigged! What do you think?
 
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The votes are not random, of course. And the probability distribution is certainly not random: some people have more chance of winning than others (although a outsider seem to have won this time).
 
Lucas Ayres said:
I can only conclude the elections were rigged!

Sure they were. By the Holy Spirit.
 
Demand a recount!

Oops, they burned the ballots. Typical.
 

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