Parabola vs Hyperbola, why does a Hyperbola have two foci/curves?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between parabolas and hyperbolas, particularly focusing on the concepts of foci, directrices, and eccentricity. Participants explore the geometric and algebraic properties of these conic sections, including their definitions and relationships to conical shapes.

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  • One participant notes that while a parabola has a second focus and directrix that stretch to infinity, a hyperbola has two foci and curves that return, prompting questions about the role of eccentricity in these properties.
  • Another participant suggests visualizing conic sections as derived from a circle, explaining that as the center of a circle is "torn" into two, it leads to the formation of ellipses, parabolas, and hyperbolas.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on understanding the relationship between conic sections and eccentricity, with a participant expressing a desire to grasp how the transition from e=1 (parabola) to e>1 (hyperbola) results in the latter having two foci and directrices.
  • A participant asserts that parabolas and hyperbolas can exist independently of conical definitions, focusing instead on their equations as intersections of planes and cones.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous point but clarifies that a hyperbola is formed when a plane intersects both parts of a double cone, contrasting with the single part intersected by a parabola.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the relationship between eccentricity and the properties of parabolas and hyperbolas. There is no consensus on the implications of eccentricity for the number of foci and directrices, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants reference the geometric interpretation of conic sections and their definitions, but there are limitations in the clarity of how eccentricity directly influences the properties of these shapes. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical intricacies involved.

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So I read a description saying something along the lines of, a Parabola does have a 2nd focus and directrix, but that they stretch off into infinity, whereas for the hyperbola the 2nd focus comes back round..?

Anyway, I'm trying to picture it and understand in relation to the eccentricity, e. What is it about e=1 (value for a parabola), that determines there is only one focus, directrix and curve as opposed to a hyperbola, e>1, that means there are two foci, directrices and curves.?

I get the feeling I'm missing something obvious..

Cheers!

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So I think I need to clarify my question a bit. My understanding is that a circle, ellipse, parabola and hyperbola are all specific cases of the same formula. The ratio between the the radius and the distance to the 'directrix' is called the eccentricity. When e =1, we have a parabola. When e>1 then we have a hyperbola. What I don't understand is, what happens when e>1 to lend the hyperbola the property of having two foci and two directrices, when at e=1 we had a parabola with only 1 focus and 1 directrix.
 
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It is always best to think of those as conic sections. In the pictures here and here, you can see how the center of a circle is torn into two which walk away from each other. First the ellipse, then the parabola and finally the hyperbola when it comes back from infinity and shows up on the other end of the double cone.
 
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fresh_42 said:
It is always best to think of those as conic sections. In the pictures here and here, you can see how the center of a circle is torn into two which walk away from each other. First the ellipse, then the parabola and finally the hyperbola when it comes back from infinity and shows up on the other end of the double cone.

Hey, thanks. Yes, it's much easier to understand from that perspective; however, I'm keen to understand it in relation to eccentricity. Sorry I didn't make this clear in the original post.

In my mind, whilst they can have a corresponding cone, a parabola/hyperbola can exist without a cone. The way I see it, right now I'm not studying the equation of a cone, I'm learning about equations of lines that can be described in the same way as the intersection of a plane and a cone. (I think that is correct..?)

I hope that makes sense.
 
am4th said:
Hey, thanks. Yes, it's much easier to understand from that perspective; however, I'm keen to understand it in relation to eccentricity. Sorry I didn't make this clear in the original post.

In my mind, whilst they can have a corresponding cone, a parabola/hyperbola can exist without a cone. The way I see it, right now I'm not studying the equation of a cone, I'm learning about equations of lines that can be described in the same way as the intersection of a plane and a cone. (I think that is correct..?)

I hope that makes sense.
You are correct. However you need to look at the cone as two cones meeting at at point. Plane, forming circle, ellipse, and parabola, intersecting cone crosses only one part. Hyperbola - plane crosses both parts.
 
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