Conic sections - quadratic curve

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The discussion centers on the relationship between quadratic curves and conic sections, specifically exploring the significance of the determinant of a matrix associated with a quadratic equation in two variables. Participants examine how the nature of the conic section (ellipse, parabola, hyperbola) is determined by the eigenvalues of the matrix derived from the quadratic form.

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  • One participant states that all quadratic curves correspond to conic sections and provides the general form of the quadratic equation.
  • Another participant explains the concept of symmetric bilinear forms and discusses the diagonalization of symmetric matrices, linking eigenvalues to the types of conic sections.
  • A subsequent reply elaborates on how the signs of the eigenvalues determine the nature of the conic section: both positive or negative for ellipses, different signs for hyperbolas, and one zero eigenvalue for parabolas.
  • Further discussion includes a participant questioning the significance of eigenvalues in relation to the shape of the conic section, seeking clarity on their role.
  • Another participant acknowledges the transformation to a new coordinate system that simplifies the quadratic form, emphasizing the elimination of cross terms and the implications for the conic's shape.
  • One participant reflects on the symmetry of the graph concerning the eigenvectors and suggests a connection between this symmetry and the properties of the conic sections.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the significance of eigenvalues and their relationship to conic sections, but no consensus is reached regarding the clarity of these concepts or the implications of the transformations discussed.

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The discussion involves complex mathematical concepts, including linear algebra and the properties of quadratic forms, which may not be fully resolved in terms of definitions or implications of the eigenvalues and their significance in different coordinate systems.

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Here is what I know:

1) All quadratic curves of 2 variables correspond to a conic section.

ax^2 + 2bxy +cy^2 + 2dx + 2fy + g = 0

a, b, c are not all 0

2) The definitions of parabola (in terms of a directrix and focus), ellipse (in terms of 2 foci), hyperbola (in terms of directrix and focus).

3) The determinate of a 2x2 matrix is the area of the parallelogram formed by the 2 row vectors.

Question:

The above quadratic equation can be found to be either an ellipse, parabola or hyperbola depending on the value of the determinate

\left| \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> \ a &amp; b \\<br /> b &amp; c\end{array} \right|

I haven't seen any sort of derivation, or even a hint, as how to arrive at the significance of this determinate.

Can anyone point me to one?
 
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That's an example of a symmetric bilinear form. The matrix multiplication
\left[\begin{array}{cc}x &amp; y\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{cc}a &amp; b \\ b &amp; c \end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{c} x \\ y \end{array}\right]
gives ax2+ 2bxy+ c.

It can be shown, in linear algebra, that any symmetric matrix, A, can be "diagonalized"- that is, that there exist an orthogonal matrix P such that PAP-1= PAPT= D where D is a matrix having only 0s off the main diagonal. It can further be shown that the numbers on the diagonal are the eigenvalues of A and that the rows of P are eigenvectors corresponding to those eigenvalues. If, in the above equation, XTAX, we replace A by PTDP, we have XT(PTDP)X= (PX)TD(PX). If we let PX= Y= <x', y'> and the diagonal elements of D are \lambda_1 and \lambda_2, then that last multiplication is
\left[\begin{array}{cc} x&#039; &amp; y&#039; \end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{cc}\lambda_1 &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; \lambda_2 \end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{c} x&#039; \\ y&#039; \end{array}\right]
= \lambda_1 x&#039;^2+ \lambda_2 y&#039;^2
And that last is
1) an ellipse if \lambda_1 and \lambda_2 are both the same sign.

2) a hyperbola if \lambda_1 and \lambda_2 are of different signs.

3) a parabola if one of \lambda_1 and \lambda_2 is 0.

Since, as I said before, \lambda_1 and \lambda_2 are the eigenvalues of the orignal matrix, the conic section is a parabola if and only if that matrix has a 0 eigenvalue.
 
So if P = \left[\begin{array}{cc}\ e_x_1 &amp; e_y_1 \\ e_x_2 &amp; e_y_2 \end{array}\right]


Y^TDY = ax^2 + 2bxy + cy^2 = \lambda_1 (xe_1_x + y_e_2_x)^2 + \lambda_2 (xe_1_y + ye_2_y)^2

The square terms are always positive, so basically this means that

if both eigenvalues are positive/negative, the quadratic term of the conic section is always positive/negative (ellipse).

The eigenvalues are of different signs, the quadratic term of the conic section may be positive or negative depending on (x,y)... (hyperbola)

If one eigenvalue is 0, the quadratic term is always (the sign of the remaining eigenvalue) (parabola).

Is there something obvious I'm missing here that would make the signficance of these eigenvalues of clear in the context of the shape drawn corresponding to the quadratic term?

Thanks for the response too, very useful.
 
I believe I had already addressed that. Changing to the x', y' coordinate system, where <x', y'>= PX. The equation becomes \lambda_1 x&#039;^2+ \lambda_2 y&#039;^2 in that coordinate system so that whether it is an ellipse, hyperbola, or parabola depends on what \lambda_1 and [/itex]\lambda_2[/itex] are. Of course, an ellipse is an ellipse, a hyperbola is a hyperbola, and a parabola is a parabola, no matter what coordinate system you write the equation in!
 
Wow I didn't get the significance of that at first.

So P (which is composed of the eigenvectors of A), is a linear transformation to some other coordinate system in which the "cross term" in the curve is eliminated...

So its sort of a rotation (with "squishing" if the eigenvectors are not orthogonal).

Using a graphing tool I can clearly see that the shapes of parabola, ellipse, hyperbola follow from those properties of the eigenvalues.

I know that A applied to an eigenvector results in a multiple of the eigenvector. So I suspect what is going on here is that some sort of symmetry (in reference to the graph of ax^2 + 2bxy + cy^2) is guaranteed about the eigenvectors.

Is that correct? This is great thanks.
 

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