Parafoil vs Paraglider: What Gives Them Lift?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the differences between paragliders and parafoils, particularly regarding their lift mechanisms and design features. Participants explore concepts related to aerodynamics, wing shapes, and the ability to utilize thermals for rising in the air.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the role of canopy size in lift generation, suggesting that larger canopies may provide stronger lift.
  • Another participant proposes that lift is a result of the interaction between thermal updrafts and the downward velocity of the gliding airfoil.
  • A participant notes that paragliders are designed for low descent rates, with pilots suspended in a horizontal position to minimize drag.
  • There is a query about whether the differences between canopies are solely based on size.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the essential differences between paragliders and parafoils, indicating that the question may involve complex aerodynamic considerations.
  • A participant defines parafoils as parachutes designed primarily for descent, while paragliders are noted for their ability to rise.
  • Another participant suggests that wing area may be a significant factor in the differences between the two types of wings.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the impact of semi-closed air cells in the canopy on performance and lift.
  • One participant asserts that parafoils can also utilize thermals for lift, sharing an anecdote about base jumping in Geneva where parafoils can remain aloft for extended periods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the differences between paragliders and parafoils, with no consensus reached on the primary factors contributing to their lift capabilities. Multiple competing views remain regarding design features and their implications for performance.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of aerodynamic principles involved, indicating that assumptions about wing shape, size, and design features may influence the discussion but remain unresolved.

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What is in a paraglider that allows it to rise in the air when in encounters rising thermals for example that a parafoil doesn’t have? Is it just the fact that paragliders have bigger canopies, therefore stronger lift? What would be the difference if they had no semi-closed air cells in the canopy? Are just about the ability to keep the canopy wide open at all times?
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I would think it's just the sum of two velocity vectors in the vertical, if the speed of the thermal updraft exceeds the down component of the gliding airfoil, then it will rise. I don't see why it would be more complex than that.
 
Paragliders are designed to have a low rate of descent - for example the pilot is normally suspended in the horizontal position to reduce drag.
 
But between the canopies, is it just a difference in size?
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I couldn't find any solid information about the essential differences between the two names, aamof. Could you enlighten me?
I have a feeling that you are basically asking about the relative merits of different wing shapes for glide angle, efficiency and manouverability. I don't think there are any simple answers to that sort of question.
 
Parafoil, it's a parachute of a specific shape. Its designed to jump from airplanes (mostly), therefore only to descend.
Paraglider is designed to rise also…
 
I would guess the difference is mainly one of wing area, then?
 
And what would be the difference if they had no semi-closed air cells in the canopy? Are just about the ability to keep the canopy wide open at all times?
 
I think the cells are to keep the 'chute from collapsing. Maybe they bleed through a bit as well, which might reduce how much lift they get from updrafts.

More to the point, parafoils are entirely capable of staying aloft on thermals. There's a spot just outside Geneva were folks can go base jump from a mountain and stay aloft pretty much as long as they want. Just trim a side to controlled spiral down before it gets dark.
 

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